1st September 1939

Ali Hollington · 01-09-2004, 03:59 PM

Found this on the web:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/bsp/worldwar_ii.stm

Look like it could be worth keeping an eye on, I must admit the occasional edition of the TV news like this I haven't been too impressed with. Maybe reading it wil work.
Ali

jamesicus · 01-09-2004, 04:30 PM

Of course, War was declared on Sunday 3 September, 1939. It was one of those "where were you when it happened?" days. I was walking on my way home from Sunday school. When I stopped -- as usual -- at the Towneley railway station level crossing to watch trains, the signal box man lowered the window and shouted "that's it, we're at war with Jerry!".

James

Kiwiwriter · 01-09-2004, 04:42 PM

When I woke up this morning, I was very aware of the date.

I thought about the Schleswig-Holstein firing the first official shots at Westerplatte near Danzig and about how the Nazis started the war with a lie: Operation "Canned Goods," in which SS bigshot Alfred Naujocks and some cronies "raided" a radio station near Gleiwitz, took over the microphone, and spouted some anti-German rhetoric in Polish. They dumped bodies of concentration camp victims who had been poisoned earlier, dressed in Polish uniforms, and fired shots into them. Then they left.

Then Goebbels and his propaganda team came in and used this "incident" to prove that the Polish Army had raided the German radio station and was threatening to invade Poland. So Germany had to "retaliate" for this "invasion."

The "big lie" at work. And that "justification" led to the cold-blooded slaughter of 46 million people.

A short time after the German newsreel cameras left the radio station at Gleiwitz, an ambulance drove into town, carrying four German soldiers in it. They were the third casualties of World War II. The second were the concentration camp prisoners. The first was the truth.

Je me souviens.

Rebel · 02-09-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Sep 1 2004, 02:42 PM
....Then Goebbels and his propaganda team came in and used this "incident" to prove that the Polish Army had raided the German radio station and was threatening to invade Poland. So Germany had to "retaliate" for this "invasion."...

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Britain was smart enough to know that a few Polish soldiers did not justify a german invasion force of 1.5 million german men.

salientpoints · 02-09-2004, 08:43 AM

But why is this under 60th Anniversary?

angie999 · 02-09-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by salientpoints@Sep 2 2004, 06:43 AM
But why is this under 60th Anniversary?

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A good point, but anniversaries are a catalyst in starting off discussions and it is a good topic, even if there is a bit of a mapreading error in placing the post here.

Ali Hollington · 02-09-2004, 12:29 PM

Fair one, move the topic where you like. A bit sleepy when I started it.
Ali

Kiwiwriter · 02-09-2004, 06:46 PM

Well, I failed math, so I didn't notice that it was under the "60th" anniversary.

01-09-2004, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ali Hollington Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 153	Found this on the web: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/bsp/worldwar_ii.stm Look like it could be worth keeping an eye on, I must admit the occasional edition of the TV news like this I haven't been too impressed with. Maybe reading it wil work. Ali __________________ http://alihollington.typepad.com/historic_battlefields/

01-09-2004, 04:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,431	When I woke up this morning, I was very aware of the date. I thought about the Schleswig-Holstein firing the first official shots at Westerplatte near Danzig and about how the Nazis started the war with a lie: Operation "Canned Goods," in which SS bigshot Alfred Naujocks and some cronies "raided" a radio station near Gleiwitz, took over the microphone, and spouted some anti-German rhetoric in Polish. They dumped bodies of concentration camp victims who had been poisoned earlier, dressed in Polish uniforms, and fired shots into them. Then they left. Then Goebbels and his propaganda team came in and used this "incident" to prove that the Polish Army had raided the German radio station and was threatening to invade Poland. So Germany had to "retaliate" for this "invasion." The "big lie" at work. And that "justification" led to the cold-blooded slaughter of 46 million people. A short time after the German newsreel cameras left the radio station at Gleiwitz, an ambulance drove into town, carrying four German soldiers in it. They were the third casualties of World War II. The second were the concentration camp prisoners. The first was the truth. Je me souviens. __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

02-09-2004, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
salientpoints Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 456	But why is this under 60th Anniversary? __________________ Website: www.salientpoints.com - join the Whizzbangs & Woodbines WebRing In memory of Sgt. Frank Gearing 1254762 RAF & Pvt. Roland Bird 10582509 RAOC.

02-09-2004, 12:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ali Hollington Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 153	Fair one, move the topic where you like. A bit sleepy when I started it. Ali __________________ http://alihollington.typepad.com/historic_battlefields/

02-09-2004, 06:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,431	Well, I failed math, so I didn't notice that it was under the "60th" anniversary. __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

01-09-2004, 04:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
jamesicus Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 285	Of course, War was declared on Sunday 3 September, 1939. It was one of those "where were you when it happened?" days. I was walking on my way home from Sunday school. When I stopped -- as usual -- at the Towneley railway station level crossing to watch trains, the signal box man lowered the window and shouted "that's it, we're at war with Jerry!". James

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