The secret KG200

Peter Clare · 15-06-2007, 03:26 PM

marcus69x · 15-06-2007, 05:38 PM

Interesting reading Peter. Just goes to show how many thing there are out there that we may never know about. I'd imagine being in one of those secret agent capsules must have been quite claustrophobic.

kfz · 15-06-2007, 07:21 PM

I can recomend

KG200 the true story by Paul Stahl.

Kev

adrian roberts · 18-06-2007, 12:56 AM

Interesting that Hitler "was reluctant" to allow suicide missions, while others seemed to be even more fanatical than he was.

There is an interesting link on same page to Otto Skorzeny, Commando leader and rescuer of Mussolini. Would it be fair to say that he was a Waffen SS officer who although ruthless was not directly implicated in any war crimes?

von Poop · 18-06-2007, 12:04 PM

Skorzeny's trial was dismissed after a British IO stated that the allied side would have acted no differently to his actions throughout the war. His escape seems to make a conclusive decision either way even murkier.
Be nice to know for sure what his cold war intelligence connections were (if any) but I imagine we'll never find out.

morse1001 · 23-06-2007, 07:33 PM

there is a novel called KG200 pretty bad!

Erich · 31-08-2007, 08:01 PM

big error Peter in the KG 200 story. First off Hajo Hermann did not invent the idea of suicide ramming by JG 300 or any of the other 2 Sturmgruppen. that was all volunteer and very very few were even thought nor carried out by the SturmFw pilots. von Kornatski came up as Kommandeur in the Strumfw 1 staffel in late 43 and tried to carry it off to the other 3 Sturm fw units as Sturmstaffel 1 was absorbed into IV.Sturm/JG 3 but Wilhelm Moritz the CO countered and said I am not going to push through the papaer work to have my pilots sig n the swearing of taking out a bomber at all costs even by ramming. no orders were given to the Staffel CO's to force anyones hands as pilots were so much more important than a/c which could be replaced

this is a long term myth for many many years that has been seen in books and the net .........

E ~ ♫

Gotthard Heinrici · 17-04-2008, 12:01 PM

Here is a website devoted to the Squadron

KG200 Site - The Real KG200 - A Brief History

They seemed to use all manner of aircraft, both captured and Home-made.

15-06-2007, 03:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Peter Clare Legendary Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Windsor UK Posts: 5,010	The secret KG200 Luftwaffe Bomber Wing KG 200 __________________ On weald of Kent I watched once more Again I heard that grumbling roar Of fighter planes; yet none were near And all around the sky was clear Borne on the wind a whisper came 'Though men grow old, they stay the same' And then I knew, unseen to eye The ageless Few were sweeping by

18-06-2007, 12:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
adrian roberts Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NW Kent, England Posts: 763	Interesting that Hitler "was reluctant" to allow suicide missions, while others seemed to be even more fanatical than he was. There is an interesting link on same page to Otto Skorzeny, Commando leader and rescuer of Mussolini. Would it be fair to say that he was a Waffen SS officer who although ruthless was not directly implicated in any war crimes? __________________ for heathen heart that puts its trust in reeking tube and iron shard all valiant dust that builds on dust and guarding, calls not thee to guard thy mercy on thy people, Lord (Kipling)

18-06-2007, 12:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 7,682	Skorzeny's trial was dismissed after a British IO stated that the allied side would have acted no differently to his actions throughout the war. His escape seems to make a conclusive decision either way even murkier. Be nice to know for sure what his cold war intelligence connections were (if any) but I imagine we'll never find out. __________________ It's only the Internet.

23-06-2007, 07:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
morse1001 Very Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland Posts: 4,686	there is a novel called KG200 pretty bad! __________________ WWW.WARFARETODAY.com

17-04-2008, 12:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,495	Here is a website devoted to the Squadron KG200 Site - The Real KG200 - A Brief History They seemed to use all manner of aircraft, both captured and Home-made. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

15-06-2007, 05:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough, UK Posts: 1,362	Interesting reading Peter. Just goes to show how many thing there are out there that we may never know about. I'd imagine being in one of those secret agent capsules must have been quite claustrophobic.

15-06-2007, 07:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
kfz Very Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,070	I can recomend KG200 the true story by Paul Stahl. Kev

31-08-2007, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Erich Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 140	big error Peter in the KG 200 story. First off Hajo Hermann did not invent the idea of suicide ramming by JG 300 or any of the other 2 Sturmgruppen. that was all volunteer and very very few were even thought nor carried out by the SturmFw pilots. von Kornatski came up as Kommandeur in the Strumfw 1 staffel in late 43 and tried to carry it off to the other 3 Sturm fw units as Sturmstaffel 1 was absorbed into IV.Sturm/JG 3 but Wilhelm Moritz the CO countered and said I am not going to push through the papaer work to have my pilots sig n the swearing of taking out a bomber at all costs even by ramming. no orders were given to the Staffel CO's to force anyones hands as pilots were so much more important than a/c which could be replaced this is a long term myth for many many years that has been seen in books and the net ......... E ~ ♫

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