Help Required for a friend

Smudger Jnr · 20-09-2009, 04:22 PM

AWM Collection Record: J06145

ID Number: J06145 Physical description: Black & white Summary: THE TURKISH NAVAL GUN ON MOUNT CARMEL CAPTURED BY THE MYSORE LANCERS. (DONATED BY GENERAL SIR HARRY CHAUVEL.) Copyright: Copyright expired - public domain Copyright holder: Copyright Expired Related subject: Naval guns Related unit: Turkish Navy Related place: Ottoman Empire: North Palestine, Tel Aviv Haifa Area, Haifa Related conflict: First World War, 1914-1918

Today I received an email from a friend in Israel.
He explained that he attempted to join a WW1 forum but could not log on for some reason or other.

He has asked me if I could post this picture of a large calibre gun with two Australian officers standing nearby.

He would would like to establish the following:

1. When taken.
2. Where taken.
3. Details of the officers.
4. There is a second photograph of a German gun at Mount Carmel. Is
this gun the same one?

I am informed that there was 17 naval guns in the Haifa area.

I realise that this is a tall order, but knowing the expertise on this forum I said I would give it a try.

Regards
Tom

Drew5233 · 20-09-2009, 07:05 PM

Tom,

I'm a member (As a few are on here) of 'The Great War Forum' if you want me to, I'll stick a post on there for you unless someone else already has?

Andy

Verrieres · 20-09-2009, 07:36 PM

I cannot answer your questions but there are a number of officers mentioned in the account at
Full text of "The Desert Mounted Corps : an account of the cavalry operations in Palestine and Syria, 1917-1918"
dates ,names ...it may help
Verrieres

Smudger Jnr · 20-09-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew5233

Tom,

I'm a member (As a few are on here) of 'The Great War Forum' if you want me to, I'll stick a post on there for you unless someone else already has?

Andy

Andy,

That would be most kind of you.

My friend stated he had tried to join a WW1 Forum (no idea which one), but for some reason or other he failed to sign up.

Regards
Tom

Smudger Jnr · 20-09-2009, 07:51 PM

Verrieres

Jim,
Thanks for the link. I will pass it on.

Regards
Tom

Drew5233 · 20-09-2009, 08:33 PM

Tom,

I've started a thread for you, the links below:

THE TURKISH NAVAL GUN ON MOUNT CARMEL CAPTURED BY THE MYSORE LANCERS. - Great War Forum

Any corrections please let me know and I'll amend them for you

Best wishes
Andy

Smudger Jnr · 21-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Andy,

Will do. Many thanks.

Regards
Tom

MyOldDad · 21-09-2009, 11:52 PM

Hi Tom,
If I am not mistaken I think I have a photo of the same gun. There seems to be both German and Turkish inscriptions on it:

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Tom.

Smudger Jnr · 22-09-2009, 06:56 AM

Tom,

Thanks for posting your photographs.
I will forward on this link so that Michael can see what this thread is developing into.

Regards
Tom

Smudger Jnr · 22-09-2009, 08:23 PM

I asked Michael if he knew anything else about the history of the canons and this reply came today.

the facts are.
these guns were up on mount Carmel 156 meters above sea level.

one was right near the DAN CARMEL HOTEL, as a child I swa the foundation and bolts of the old gun.

I do not know were the second gun was set up.

The gun caused trrouble to the approaching British and Indian forces in Sep 1918. 18 were killed. they are buiried in the WW1 graveyard in Haifa.

the picture you sent me is from the gun near the hotel. the small trees are there to this day.

there is great interest out here, as we know that British officers , and Australian officers took photoes to remember from this sit up on the mountain near the big gun.

it was a Naval gun, made in Germany, and the turkes pulled it up the mountail. must have been hell to do that..

I shall receive 3 more air photoes in 2 weeks. these pic were taken by Germen 3 winnged planes above Haifa in 1915- during the war time. the big gun should show on them.

Regards
Tom

20-09-2009, 07:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Drew5233 Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,417	Tom, I'm a member (As a few are on here) of 'The Great War Forum' if you want me to, I'll stick a post on there for you unless someone else already has? Andy __________________ Combat Communicators of the British Army

20-09-2009, 07:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Spandau, Berlin, Germany Posts: 5,687	Verrieres Jim, Thanks for the link. I will pass it on. Regards Tom __________________ Reconnaissance Corps - Only the enemy in front.

20-09-2009, 08:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Drew5233 Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,417	Tom, I've started a thread for you, the links below: THE TURKISH NAVAL GUN ON MOUNT CARMEL CAPTURED BY THE MYSORE LANCERS. - Great War Forum Any corrections please let me know and I'll amend them for you Best wishes Andy __________________ Combat Communicators of the British Army

21-09-2009, 11:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Spandau, Berlin, Germany Posts: 5,687	Andy, Will do. Many thanks. Regards Tom __________________ Reconnaissance Corps - Only the enemy in front.

22-09-2009, 06:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Spandau, Berlin, Germany Posts: 5,687	Tom, Thanks for posting your photographs. I will forward on this link so that Michael can see what this thread is developing into. Regards Tom __________________ Reconnaissance Corps - Only the enemy in front.

20-09-2009, 07:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Verrieres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Durham Posts: 948	I cannot answer your questions but there are a number of officers mentioned in the account at Full text of "The Desert Mounted Corps : an account of the cavalry operations in Palestine and Syria, 1917-1918" dates ,names ...it may help Verrieres

21-09-2009, 11:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
MyOldDad Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 472	Hi Tom, If I am not mistaken I think I have a photo of the same gun. There seems to be both German and Turkish inscriptions on it: Hope this helps. Regards, Tom.

22-09-2009, 08:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Spandau, Berlin, Germany Posts: 5,687	I asked Michael if he knew anything else about the history of the canons and this reply came today. the facts are. these guns were up on mount Carmel 156 meters above sea level. one was right near the DAN CARMEL HOTEL, as a child I swa the foundation and bolts of the old gun. I do not know were the second gun was set up. The gun caused trrouble to the approaching British and Indian forces in Sep 1918. 18 were killed. they are buiried in the WW1 graveyard in Haifa. the picture you sent me is from the gun near the hotel. the small trees are there to this day. there is great interest out here, as we know that British officers , and Australian officers took photoes to remember from this sit up on the mountain near the big gun. it was a Naval gun, made in Germany, and the turkes pulled it up the mountail. must have been hell to do that.. I shall receive 3 more air photoes in 2 weeks. these pic were taken by Germen 3 winnged planes above Haifa in 1915- during the war time. the big gun should show on them. Regards Tom __________________ Reconnaissance Corps - Only the enemy in front.

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