Falaise Bloody Falaise. - Page 5

sapper · 18-10-2007, 12:17 PM

Fighting men are there to FIGHT....Not to be selective where and when they fight!

I cannot recall at anytime the British army saying. Oh! don't lets go there. we may suffer to many casualties. By the way, Normandy and Falaise was Monty's triumph and no one else.
This idea that you select where to fight was born out in a very vivid way at Overloon.

Where the Americans were going to take Overloon and SWEEP down though Venlo. After taking casualties, they retired to the South, never to be seen again, The British Third Infantry Div took on the task.

Their casualties were three time that of the Americans...But on the 18th after a particular bloody battle...the town lay in out hands. Took part in it! still don't like to think about it..... YUK
sapper

marcus69x · 18-10-2007, 12:24 PM

Sap, you never cease to amaze us with your posts.

cheers
marcus

4th wilts · 18-10-2007, 02:27 PM

correction.twas the u.s 80th inf div.

sapper · 18-10-2007, 03:13 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but if I recall the American div that vanished from Overloon was the 7th American Armoured div, and I do recall they had a nickname. I think but not sure?? it was called the Ghost Division???????
I recall they were gone.
The Third British infantry had been watching the American attacks with an increasing feeling of foreboding.
YUP! they were gone. and we were given the job. Miserable, fierce, dogged battles, heavy shell and mortar fire, With mines everywhere in amongst the pine trees, and the deep sandy soil... The battle for the dog shaped wood was rough! Though what made anyone thing it looked "dog shaped" I could never understand.

Overloon finished my war....And then some... For the results were to last a life time.
Sapper

4th wilts · 18-10-2007, 06:43 PM

monty ordered brad to disregard interallied boundries on august 16th.there were still the remnants of 5 panzer divs in that pocket.brad had 2 corps that could,and should have moved north to close that noose.i reckon he was well,a w----r.

4th wilts · 31-10-2007, 07:52 PM

i reckon dempsey has never had the credit he deserves during this whole period.does any one know if he ever wrote memoirs.

Owen · 31-10-2007, 08:00 PM

Read about Art Bridge at St. Lambert here.

http://www.ashofc.ca/BridgeFalaiseArticle.pdf

marcus69x · 01-11-2007, 01:50 PM

Looks interesting Owen. I'll have to read it later on my dinner. These horrid customers keep interupting me.

Gotthard Heinrici · 01-11-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4th wilts

monty ordered brad to disregard interallied boundries on august 16th.there were still the remnants of 5 panzer divs in that pocket.brad had 2 corps that could,and should have moved north to close that noose.i reckon he was well,a w----r.

Really?? There was the issue of overextending the lines giving the Germans a greater chance to break through and also the issue of a possible engagement between meeting Allied forces at the pocket. As far as I'm aware only Pattons Corps was available to close the pocket.

I would like to point out Lee that you may not like Bradley but there is no call on this board for using that term. In fact in all our discussions here we have never used that term even when we are referring to men more deserving of that title.

You may have antipathy towards the US Army, actually make that you DO have antipathy towards them, but at least show some respect towards men that fought and died so that you can express your opinions. If you dont believe me just google "american war cemetaries" and see what comes up. They laid their lives on the line for the Allied cause and deserve better than to have one of their commanders called that.

marcus69x · 01-11-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus69x

Looks interesting Owen. I'll have to read it later on my dinner. These horrid customers keep interupting me.

Just read it. very interesting. It's these type of accounts that I crave for. Something from the soldiers eyes. Much better than reading dates and figures.

Cheers Owen.

18-10-2007, 03:13 PM	#44 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,515	Correct me if I am wrong but if I recall the American div that vanished from Overloon was the 7th American Armoured div, and I do recall they had a nickname. I think but not sure?? it was called the Ghost Division??????? I recall they were gone. The Third British infantry had been watching the American attacks with an increasing feeling of foreboding. YUP! they were gone. and we were given the job. Miserable, fierce, dogged battles, heavy shell and mortar fire, With mines everywhere in amongst the pine trees, and the deep sandy soil... The battle for the dog shaped wood was rough! Though what made anyone thing it looked "dog shaped" I could never understand. Overloon finished my war....And then some... For the results were to last a life time. Sapper Last edited by sapper; 18-10-2007 at 07:03 PM.

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18-10-2007, 12:17 PM	#41 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,515	Fighting men are there to FIGHT....Not to be selective where and when they fight! I cannot recall at anytime the British army saying. Oh! don't lets go there. we may suffer to many casualties. By the way, Normandy and Falaise was Monty's triumph and no one else. This idea that you select where to fight was born out in a very vivid way at Overloon. Where the Americans were going to take Overloon and SWEEP down though Venlo. After taking casualties, they retired to the South, never to be seen again, The British Third Infantry Div took on the task. Their casualties were three time that of the Americans...But on the 18th after a particular bloody battle...the town lay in out hands. Took part in it! still don't like to think about it..... YUK sapper

18-10-2007, 12:24 PM	#42 (permalink)
marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough, UK Posts: 1,527	Sap, you never cease to amaze us with your posts. cheers marcus

18-10-2007, 02:27 PM	#43 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	correction.twas the u.s 80th inf div.

18-10-2007, 06:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	monty ordered brad to disregard interallied boundries on august 16th.there were still the remnants of 5 panzer divs in that pocket.brad had 2 corps that could,and should have moved north to close that noose.i reckon he was well,a w----r.

31-10-2007, 07:52 PM	#46 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	i reckon dempsey has never had the credit he deserves during this whole period.does any one know if he ever wrote memoirs.

31-10-2007, 08:00 PM	#47 (permalink)
Owen Grumpy Old Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,484	Read about Art Bridge at St. Lambert here. http://www.ashofc.ca/BridgeFalaiseArticle.pdf

01-11-2007, 01:50 PM	#48 (permalink)
marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough, UK Posts: 1,527	Looks interesting Owen. I'll have to read it later on my dinner. These horrid customers keep interupting me.

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