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Old 25-05-2007, 04:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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BEF losses (human) before the Dunkirk evacuation?

Tomorrow marks the 67th anniversary of the commencement of the Dunkirk evacuations.

The numbers evacuated from Dunkirk and other beaches in following weeks numbered over 500,000.

How many of the BEF were killed and how many became POW's?
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Old 25-05-2007, 09:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Just had a quick flick through some books and came up with 68 000 casualties. Can't find a breakdown of numbers.

Googling came up with 68,000 casualties including
34,000 captured
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Old 25-05-2007, 09:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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PS Geoff, I think you'll find it's the 67th Anniversary.
2007 - 1940 = 67.
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When the operation ended 338,226 had been evacuated—308,888 of them in the ships under Admiral Ramsay's orders. Nearly 100,000 had been liefted from the beaches. Of the British 8,061 were casualties; of our Allies 1,230

British troops (including 4,992 casualties) and 1,534 of our Allies were evacuated in British ships before Operation Dynamo started. To the Dynamo total of 338,226 there must therefore be added 27,936 making the grand total of those evacuated by this date 366,162.[27] Included in this number are 224,320 men of the British Expeditionary Force.
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These 191,870 have to be added to the 366,162 who had been brought away by the conclusion of Operation Dynamo. A grand total of 558,032 had thus eluded the enemy's attempts to capture or destroy them; 368,491 of these were British troops
HyperWar: The War in France and Flanders 1939–1940 [Chapter XXI]

Still can't find break-down of casualties.
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PS Geoff, I think you'll find it's the 67th Anniversary.
2007 - 1940 = 67.
Hi Owen,

The maths are not bad just the starting point. I was doing some research on 1939 on a couple of other discussion ideas for the forum and run it from there.

Thanks for the pick up.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Still could rank up there with one of the biggest mistakes of WW2 for Adolf.

This is not in numbers of troops of course however the psycological aspect pushed by Churchill must have been catastrophic to Hitlers forward thinking after having this army at his mercy.

THe mood within from his generals must also have been electric. They had to endure another 5 years of this type of leadership.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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These 191,870 have to be added to the 366,162 who had been brought away by the conclusion of Operation Dynamo. A grand total of 558,032 had thus eluded the enemy's attempts to capture or destroy them; 368,491 of these were British troops
With these "rescued" numbers you would think the casualties to be significant.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Slightly puzzled by some of these figures, 'Blitzkrieg in the West' by ATB has BEF casualties for the whole campaign as 3,457 men killed & 13,602 wounded, a loss rate of c.1,700 casualties per division.
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Only read the wikipedia link. Like the bit on what if, WW2 (and the time leading upto it) seems to have a lot of 'what ifs' IMHO, and this is another one
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