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Just been reading about the battle for Brest in September '44. The Americans asked for help from the British 79th Armd Div. They sent B Sqn 141 RAC (the Buffs). Why didn't the Americans have their own flamthrower tanks? Did they have to borrow any of our "Funnies" again? Anyone find any photos of Crocodiles helping the Americans? EDIT here. Lone Sentry: 29 Let's Go! The Story of the 29th Infantry Division -- WWII G.I. Stories Booklet I see there is a Croc as a memorial there. http://www.armourarchive.co.uk/ptif_upd.pdf ![]() Musée Mémorial Fort Montbarey Last edited by Owen; 31-05-2007 at 09:16 AM. Reason: extra info |
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Owen - do you have 79th Armoured history? If not, I will check in there later today.
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The US certainly had flamethowing tanks, the M4A3R3 version of the Sherman had a flamethrower in place of the main armament. I suppose none may have been available at that place at that time. I don't know how they were deployed: wether they were held in a central divisional level support unit or parcelled out to Regimental Combat Teams as part of the standard ORBAT or TOA as I think the US terms it. H |
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Aha! This sounds interesting: No, the flame guns developed for the M4 by the Army were the E4R2-5R1 and E4R3-5R1 (standardized as the M3-4 and M3-3), the E6-R1 and the E7-7 (two further series were completed postwar). They were all kits that could be installed in vehicles and then removed. The Marines also used the POA, which were complete conversions of existing vehciles. But none of the conversion kits arrived in the ETO in time for NEPTUNE, the first arrived and were installed in the initial shipment of M4A3E2 in late September, which is why Crocs of 141 RTR were loaned to the US for use at Brest. Operating Tanks at Omaha first 6 hours - soc.history.war.world-war-ii | Google Groups . |
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Ok, quite a lot in the Divisional History. Text first: (1) ![]() (2) ![]() (3) ![]() (4)
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Photos of 141 RAC Crocs at Brest: ![]()
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Maps: (1) General Map ![]() (2) Map of the Fort
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Presentation of Honours: ![]() Hope that helps, Owen?
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is there anything in that history of the 79th Arm Div book that relates to actions the 1FFY fought in. Thanks, Donnie
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