D-day:the Significance To The Wwii

[sonae77]

I wanna know what every one thinks would have happened if D-Day had failed in terms of winning the war or not.

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[Thomas McCall]

It is probably that if the Allies had failed in the Normandy invasion then the Soviet Union I believe would have still won the war for the allies all though the war would have taken longer as Germany's might was by now more focused on the Eatern Front.

By winning the war for the allies the Soviet Union would have had a larger part of the occupation of German territory and causing more of a post war problem for the United States.

[armourersergeant]

Allies would still have won the war, either from The Soviets taking more of europe, or the use by the yanks of the bomb!


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[Gnomey]

The allies I believe would still have won although it wouyld have been Russia alone steamrollering through Europe and it would have taken longer that it actually did.

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[Paul Reed]

Given what we now know about the state of the German army in the West, and the power and resources available to the Western allies, it seems unlikely Normandy would have been a complete disaster even if any/more of the original landings had been successfully opposed.

As Thomas said, the role of a simultaneous offensive on the Eastern Front also played a great (some say greater) part in the end of the war as a whole (at least the war against Nazi Germany), and it does seem likely that if the British/US had got bogged down in NW Europe, much more of Europe would have been under occupation of the Soviets come the end of the conflict.

For more information on the Soviet role in things try looking for 'Operation Bagration' on the internet.

[Paul Reed]

I would say to you that there is no need to be insulting - this is certainly not the way to get people to co-operate. And please, don't SHOUT.

I am not a moderator of this area so cannot edit your postings but I have reported them as I do not think your language is appropriate.

Please think before posting. :angry:

[salientpoints]

Hi Paul

I have removed the unnecessary parts of this thread and deleted one of the repeated threads.

Cheers

Ryan

[Paul Reed]

Thanks Ryan.

[Friedrich H]

Sorry, guys… I'm too late to act as a moderator. Thanks for doing the work, Ryan.

Sorry again, but I've been very, very busy in the singing stuff… that's why I've neglected you, chaps.

[Friedrich H]

By the way, the only thing that could have made D-day fail was the Channel itself.

Casualties might have been very high, but the Germans simply couldn't do anything to repell the invasion because they had already lost the logistics and build-up campaign.

Even if the Germans could have known that the invasion was imminent some 48 hours earlier… would Allied air power and the French resistance have allowed them to move divisions from the interior or Pas-de-Calais? The units at the coast could have been put to full-alert, but could these 2nd and 3rd rate units do something to stop the invaders?

I am convinced that Panzer attacks on the coast would have been just useless, since the Navy would have blown all Panzer divisions up, which dared to get 10 km from the beacheads.

Maybe the airborne troops would have been almost completely wiped out. But the invasion at the beaches could have just happened anyway and ultimate breakthrough would have been achieved.

'Omaha' is the best example. There, a German regular and experienced unit, which was at the time on full-alert, partially equipped, with better terrain conditions and more built defences than the other four beaches and which had not been adequately bombarded by ships and aircraft. At the end of the day the Americans broke through, even if it was at a huge cost.

Did the counterattacks of the 21st Panzer division were of any use? No, because it was delayed by destroyed bridges and sabotaged communications. Allied air power kept them out of open field and the German High's command caothic structure and its personnel's incompetence doomed any success.

Even if the 21st Panzer and other Panzer divisions could have reached went on unmolested and at the first hour against the beaches, the Allied Navy would have annihilated any attempt of these units to get to the beaches.

And there is a precedent for this: Army Group 'C' in the eastern front was surrounded and pushed all the way to the Baltic Sea. There, the Red Army tried numerous times to sweep the Kessel, but was stopped by a couple of Kriegsmarine cruisers. And here we're talking about the 1944 Red Army, well-leaded and experienced, with plenty of reinforcements available, extensive air and artillery support, along with heavy and numerous armoured units.

All the attempts made by the Red Army to reduce the pocket at Courland and later at East Prussia was stopped by naval guns. Whole mechanised corps, hundreds of tanks, men and field guns were literally blown up by a dozen 8" + guns' fire accurate and long-range fire.