Operation Weserübung

Herroberst · 23-03-2006, 04:40 AM

Operation Weserübung - Do you think it was successful for the Germans, in terms of costs? What do you think the Allies could have done better? Be the commander of the Axis or Allied forces and discuss.

Kitty · 23-03-2006, 11:11 AM

Sorry Oby, I'm not too hot on operation names. Which one was this?
Kitty

morse1001 · 23-03-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mosquito617

Sorry Oby, I'm not too hot on operation names. Which one was this?
Kitty

The Invasion of norway.

I think that it was a well planned but it goes to prove the old saying, "A warplan is only good until the first contact".

The damage done to the Luftwaffe in terms of planes and experienced aircrew was to last the entire war and could quite easily be said to have been a significant contribution to the Germans final downfall.

Exxley · 23-03-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by morse1001

The Invasion of norway.

I think that it was a well planned but it goes to prove the old saying, "A warplan is only good until the first contact".

The damage done to the Luftwaffe in terms of planes and experienced aircrew was to last the entire war and could quite easily be said to have been a significant contribution to the Germans final downfall.

Agree. Same thing could be said of the damage done to the Kriegsmarine.

Gotthard Heinrici · 23-03-2006, 05:06 PM

To be honest, I think there was more damage done to the Surface Fleet of the Kriegsmarine than the Luftwaffe Morse. Remember that the Luftwaffe still had to take on the French and British Air Forces in France. The death knell of the Luftwaffe was the Battle of Britain.

morse1001 · 23-03-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

To be honest, I think there was more damage done to the Surface Fleet of the Kriegsmarine than the Luftwaffe Morse. Remember that the Luftwaffe still had to take on the French and British Air Forces in France. The death knell of the Luftwaffe was the Battle of Britain.

The Luftwaffe lost 527 aircraft mostly Ju 52s who were flown by instructors. This left a gap in their air-lift capability.

The Luftwaffe air units in the B0fb were at times actually under strength because they could not provide replacement pilots at the same rate as the RAF.

Kiwiwriter · 23-03-2006, 06:14 PM

Well, the Germans did what they set out to do, conquer Denmark and Norway, doing so with a good deal of effectiveness. They defeated British and Norwegian land forces south of Trondheim, but couldn't hold Narvik to an Anglo-Polish-French force. The Germans also took a fierce naval beating, losing at least 10 destroyers at Narvik, two light cruisers, a heavy cruiser, and taking serious damage to just about every large ship in the campaign. They did sink the British carrier Glorious, but that seems to have been because of that captain's ineptitude more than anything else.

The Germans wound up with vast amounts of land to patrol and protect, but had a superb base from which to attack convoys to Russia. And Hitler declared Norway the "zone of destiny" in the war, and the battleships spent a lot of time at anchor up there, doing nothing but scaring British admirals.

I think they won, but at a stiff price.

Kitty · 23-03-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter

I think they won, but at a stiff price.

On this one i agree. Norway was a bitch to take (excuse the language, please), and it was one hell of a hot potato to hold for the rest of the war. Just look at Operation Archery and Anklet on the Lofoten islands, and it's possible to see here that not the best soldiers were sent to the country.

Herroberst · 24-03-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

To be honest, I think there was more damage done to the Surface Fleet of the Kriegsmarine than the Luftwaffe Morse. Remember that the Luftwaffe still had to take on the French and British Air Forces in France. The death knell of the Luftwaffe was the Battle of Britain.

Agreed, The loss of Destroyers at Narvik, The Blücher, and Uboats as well as troops were a blow to the Wehrmacht. But the Snafu of the allies was paramount, especially with british Naval superiority

ComradeRomain · 24-03-2006, 05:47 AM

lets not forget its what prevented germany from getting into an english blockade like the one in ww1, it also limited english naval flexibility and prevented easy allied landing on the northern continent

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Gotthard Heinrici Pog mo thon Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,020	To be honest, I think there was more damage done to the Surface Fleet of the Kriegsmarine than the Luftwaffe Morse. Remember that the Luftwaffe still had to take on the French and British Air Forces in France. The death knell of the Luftwaffe was the Battle of Britain. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian

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Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,431	Weserubung Well, the Germans did what they set out to do, conquer Denmark and Norway, doing so with a good deal of effectiveness. They defeated British and Norwegian land forces south of Trondheim, but couldn't hold Narvik to an Anglo-Polish-French force. The Germans also took a fierce naval beating, losing at least 10 destroyers at Narvik, two light cruisers, a heavy cruiser, and taking serious damage to just about every large ship in the campaign. They did sink the British carrier Glorious, but that seems to have been because of that captain's ineptitude more than anything else. The Germans wound up with vast amounts of land to patrol and protect, but had a superb base from which to attack convoys to Russia. And Hitler declared Norway the "zone of destiny" in the war, and the battleships spent a lot of time at anchor up there, doing nothing but scaring British admirals. I think they won, but at a stiff price. __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

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