Moscow 1941 books

Owen · 03-12-2007, 11:22 PM

Was wondering what to get with a book token had for my birthday.
Anyone read this ?
The Greatest Battle: The Battle for Moscow, 1941-2

Andrew Nagorski.

Any good, or do you suggest something else?

Gotthard Heinrici · 03-12-2007, 11:23 PM

Its on my list Owen. By the way what did you think of Guderians description of his Corps part in the battle from Panzer Leader?

Owen · 03-12-2007, 11:32 PM

Sorry Ger, that was read awhile ago and I seem to forget quite a bit of it.
I think the book I was actually thinking of getting is this one.

Moscow 1941 A City and Its People at War
Rodric Braitwaite

deadb_tch · 04-12-2007, 07:43 AM

Hey Owen, when I've been googling internet to look who is that Andrew Nagorski I've found that he was reporter of "Newsweek" in Moscow in 70's and helped so-called 'russian germans' to get to west Germany in after-war period, is he author of ur book?
Here is interesting article from one of dissidents that helped 'russian germans' - Îëåã ÏÎÏÎÂ.Êàê ÿ ïîìîãàë íåìöàì. Êàðòà ¹ 24-25, can be read thru translate.google.com, but be advised that translation isn't good

Very interesting article for me.

Owen · 04-12-2007, 09:55 AM

That's him.

Quote:

It is written by an award-winning "Newsweek" foreign correspondent

WHSmith: Books: Greatest Battle The Battle for Moscow, 1941-2: Nagorski, Andrew

Owen · 04-12-2007, 12:09 PM

Been into town and got this one.

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/WHS/Go.asp?...220&Menu=Books

If Simon Sebag Montefiore has his name on the cover then that sounds good enough for me.
Some excellent photos inside, haven't time to read any of it yet.
Looks like the author covers everyone from Stalin down to school children.

deadb_tch · 04-12-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Owen D

That's him.

WHSmith: Books: Greatest Battle The Battle for Moscow, 1941-2: Nagorski, Andrew

Just a note

that according to russian and earlier soviet official history turning point was tank battle on Kurskaya Duga at Prokhorovka. It is because in the meaning of turning point russian and soviet historians is understanding that after this event nazi turned back to its country.

Owen · 04-12-2007, 11:28 PM

I hope the Rodric Braithwaite book will be good, after all he studied Russian at Oxford and Cambridge and was British Ambassador to Moscow from 1988 to 1992 .

WELCOME: Rodric Braithwaite
or for our Russian members,
http://web.mac.com/rqbraithwaite/Rus...2;я.html

Owen · 05-12-2007, 10:50 PM

I'm finding this fact hard to take in, even though I've heard it before, it's sinking in this time. From page 7.

Quote:

The Battle of Moscow swirled over a territory the size of France, and lasted for six months, from September 1941 to April 1942. The Soviet Union lost more people in this one battle--926,000soldiers killed , to say nothing of the wounded--than the British lost in the whole of the First World War. Their casulaties in this one battle were greater than the combined casualties of the British and the Americans in the whole of the Second World War. This was the horrendous price they paid for inflicting on the Wehrmacht the first real defeat it had ever suffered.

Owen · 14-12-2007, 10:14 AM

Really enjoying the Rodric Braithwaite book, some excellent Veteran stories from Ballet Dancers to Nurses, Soldiers, Airmen, Poets the whole lot.
Whereas C.Merridale in "Ivan's War" seemed to sugest a "We're Victims" type of feel regards the Russians this book is different. The Russians, in this case, Muscovites had a job to do and got on with it. Whatever they thought of Stalin, they had a Homeland to defend this describes very well how they did it.
Tragic stories, funny stories, grim stories are all in there.
I keep reading bits I can add to this, that & the other thread on here but I'd never get the book read if I did.
I recommend this book very highly, I knw GH is impressd with it too.

03-12-2007, 11:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,595	Moscow 1941 books Was wondering what to get with a book token had for my birthday. Anyone read this ? The Greatest Battle: The Battle for Moscow, 1941-2 Andrew Nagorski. Any good, or do you suggest something else?

03-12-2007, 11:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,468	Its on my list Owen. By the way what did you think of Guderians description of his Corps part in the battle from Panzer Leader? __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

04-12-2007, 07:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Russian Federation Posts: 808	Hey Owen, when I've been googling internet to look who is that Andrew Nagorski I've found that he was reporter of "Newsweek" in Moscow in 70's and helped so-called 'russian germans' to get to west Germany in after-war period, is he author of ur book? Here is interesting article from one of dissidents that helped 'russian germans' - Îëåã ÏÎÏÎÂ.Êàê ÿ ïîìîãàë íåìöàì. Êàðòà ¹ 24-25, can be read thru translate.google.com, but be advised that translation isn't good Very interesting article for me. __________________ I DRIVE HONDA. HONDA - POWER IN YOUR ARMS. Grandfather: front medic, caught by nazi in defence of Moscow 1941, placed into POW camp, ran away from camp, got a gangrene, lost left leg, survived war, now RIP. INTERACTIVE BOOK of EASTERN FRONT from 22 june 1941 to 9th may 1945 (5+ hours of show with videos, photos, audio notes from soviet veterans etc.): http://english.pobediteli.ru FEEL FREE TO CORRECT MY ENGLISH! ALL!.. HOPE!.. IS!.. GONE!.. マキシマムザホルモン [Makishimamu Za Horumon]

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Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,595	I hope the Rodric Braithwaite book will be good, after all he studied Russian at Oxford and Cambridge and was British Ambassador to Moscow from 1988 to 1992 . WELCOME: Rodric Braithwaite or for our Russian members, http://web.mac.com/rqbraithwaite/Rus...2;я.html Last edited by Owen; 04-12-2007 at 11:30 PM.

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03-12-2007, 11:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,595	Sorry Ger, that was read awhile ago and I seem to forget quite a bit of it. I think the book I was actually thinking of getting is this one. Moscow 1941 A City and Its People at War Rodric Braitwaite

04-12-2007, 12:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,595	Been into town and got this one. http://www.whsmith.co.uk/WHS/Go.asp?...220&Menu=Books If Simon Sebag Montefiore has his name on the cover then that sounds good enough for me. Some excellent photos inside, haven't time to read any of it yet. Looks like the author covers everyone from Stalin down to school children.

14-12-2007, 10:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,595	Really enjoying the Rodric Braithwaite book, some excellent Veteran stories from Ballet Dancers to Nurses, Soldiers, Airmen, Poets the whole lot. Whereas C.Merridale in "Ivan's War" seemed to sugest a "We're Victims" type of feel regards the Russians this book is different. The Russians, in this case, Muscovites had a job to do and got on with it. Whatever they thought of Stalin, they had a Homeland to defend this describes very well how they did it. Tragic stories, funny stories, grim stories are all in there. I keep reading bits I can add to this, that & the other thread on here but I'd never get the book read if I did. I recommend this book very highly, I knw GH is impressd with it too.

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