Ian Kershaw - Hitler - Page 2

Gage · 13-05-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

Kershaw's books are excellent and well worth a "shufti" as my esteemed colleague would say. As unbiased as they could be they are nonetheless informative and I didnt find them hard going.give em a bash Gage!

Thanks GH. Looking at them, I was a bit worried they would be hard going but I will save some pennies and invest.

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Originally Posted by von Poop

Foolishly I forgot to mention another Bullock work that should be on the required Hitler reading list - 'A Study in Tyranny'.
Also Shirer's 'Rise & Fall of the third Reich', excellent stuff on the gang in general with much Hitler detail from one who was there.

Thanks as ever VP. 'A study in Tyranny' and 'Rise and fall of the Third Reich' also need looking at, especially the latter.

This book is also excellent, I'm in the last third or so.

Gage · 16-05-2008, 08:32 PM

What about 'Mein Kampf'? Any good or very long winded with a big bit of ego for good measure?

von Poop · 16-05-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gage

What about 'Mein Kampf'? Any good or very long winded with a big bit of ego for good measure?

I reckon give it a miss mate, a claim can be made for it having some interest due to it's author... but it's basically a pretty turgid rant with a lot less insight into his mind than you might hope for.

Za Rodinu · 16-05-2008, 11:13 PM

Kershaw's books are possibly the best you can get for a detailed insight on Hitler. I have those and I've read them three times already, thick as they are. Go for it.

Gage · 17-05-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by von Poop

I reckon give it a miss mate, a claim can be made for it having some interest due to it's author... but it's basically a pretty turgid rant with a lot less insight into his mind than you might hope for.

Thanks VP, thought it would be hard work.
Be interesting to see just how Hitler got so far, he must have been intelligent. And I know he had an eye for detail and logistics.

Za Rodinu · 17-05-2008, 08:42 AM

Hitler an eye for logistics? That's the first time I hear that one.

Gage · 17-05-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Za Rodinu

Hitler an eye for logistics? That's the first time I hear that one.

Maybe logistics is the wrong word. I meant in a political sense more than a military one.

Gotthard Heinrici · 17-05-2008, 11:37 AM

Gage, he was mot definitely obsessed with detail and Generals have testified about his ability to bring up minutaie during meetings although it could be argued that this was a tactic designed to deflect people off the topic at hand. He was a gambler politically but when push came to shove he was horribly wrong over Poland and his rash declaration of war on the US must count as one of the worst blunders of the war. That and the invasion of Russia.

Gage · 17-05-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

Gage, he was mot definitely obsessed with detail and Generals have testified about his ability to bring up minutaie during meetings although it could be argued that this was a tactic designed to deflect people off the topic at hand. He was a gambler politically but when push came to shove he was horribly wrong over Poland and his rash declaration of war on the US must count as one of the worst blunders of the war. That and the invasion of Russia.

Thanks GH. So, did Hitler get to lead a nation as big as Germany because he was a fantastic orator, the situation the German people felt post WW1 and very lucky? Or is that too simple?
Don't want to turn this into a big debate, just really interested.

Trincomalee · 18-05-2008, 02:23 AM

I think everyone should watch the first series of "Heimat" which follows Germany from 1919 - 1982
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16-05-2008, 08:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gage Angels one-five Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somewhere in Time Posts: 1,126	What about 'Mein Kampf'? Any good or very long winded with a big bit of ego for good measure? __________________ 'There I stood at the bar, wearing a Mae West, no jacket, and beginning to leak blood from my torn boot. None of the golfers took any notice of me - after all, I wasn't a member!' Kenneth Lee - after being shot down on the 18th August 1940. We had a squadron commander who believed in the head-on attack. 'The next raid we go up to intercept, we will do a head-on attack,' he said. So he attacked an Me 110 head-on and I'm afraid Jerry got the better of him and all we found of him was his shirt! Flying Officer Harold Bird-Wilson, 17 Squadron.

16-05-2008, 11:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Za Rodinu So you hear voices too? Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,238	Kershaw's books are possibly the best you can get for a detailed insight on Hitler. I have those and I've read them three times already, thick as they are. Go for it. __________________ "Tell me again, son, who lost the frigging war?"

17-05-2008, 08:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
Za Rodinu So you hear voices too? Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,238	Hitler an eye for logistics? That's the first time I hear that one. __________________ "Tell me again, son, who lost the frigging war?"

17-05-2008, 11:37 AM	#18 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,329	Gage, he was mot definitely obsessed with detail and Generals have testified about his ability to bring up minutaie during meetings although it could be argued that this was a tactic designed to deflect people off the topic at hand. He was a gambler politically but when push came to shove he was horribly wrong over Poland and his rash declaration of war on the US must count as one of the worst blunders of the war. That and the invasion of Russia. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

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