The most historically incorrect movies/books.

[von Poop]

The Helicopter in 'Where Eagles dare'.

[Hawkeye90]

I noticed in that in Patton M-60's were used to portray what should have been Shermans.

[lancesergeant]

Anyone picked up on Battle of the River Plate, when you can see the ship's (Graf Spee's) number even though it's blacked out-one would think it was an American warship surely not.

[spidge]

Originally Posted by lancesergeant

Anyone picked up on Battle of the River Plate, when you can see the ship's (Graf Spee's) number even though it's blacked out-one would think it was an American warship surely not.

Ships used in the film: HMS Sheffield as HMS Ajax, INS Delhi (formerly HMNZS Achilles) as HMNZS Achilles, HMS Cumberland as HMS Cumberland, Heavy Cruiser USS Salem as the German pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee. HMS Jamaica played the part of HMS Exeter.

The U.S. Navy would not allow any Nazi insignia to be displayed on the U.S.S. Salem. Footage of the wartime German flag and other insignia was filmed on British ships.

Location filming started on 13 December 1955, the 16th anniversary of the battle. The River Plate Association in Auckland sent a good-luck message to the crew. "Congratulations on choice of day. Hope your shooting will be as successful as ours!"

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye90

I noticed in that in Patton M-60's were used to portray what should have been Shermans.

Here are a few and even here they say M-47's (1952)

• Anachronisms: 1948 Packard car in front of headquarters.
• Anachronisms: The tanks used in the major battle scene in North Africa are post-war tanks. On the German side the M48 tank (1953) was used and on the American side the M47 (1952). Ironically, the latter was also called the 'Patton 1'.
• Factual errors: The prayer for good weather was actually put on the back of a small Christmas card that was printed for the troops on December 11th, five days before the Battle of the Bulge began. The actual prayer contained the words "these immoderate rains" while the movie version said "this immoderate weather."

• Revealing mistakes: In the scene following Patton's speech, a child is trying to steal a dead soldier's wedding ring. As he goes about this, the soldier's shoulder/arm muscles twitch visibly in reaction to the scorpions climbing on him.
• Crew or equipment visible: As Patton is viewing the battlefield through binoculars and facing the camera, various lights/booms etc are clearly reflected in the binocular lenses.
• Anachronisms: Germany is already divided to East and West Germany in the map of Europe seen in the headquarters, and all other national borders are post WWII.
• Factual errors: When Field Marshal Montgomery is informed that Patton has taken Palermo in Sicily, the British flag beside him is hung upside down.
• Continuity: When SGT Willie "George" Meeks brings Patton's Aide into his quarters when Patton finds out he has been relieved of command of 7th Army the stripes on his shoulder are that of a Staff Sergeant. When Patton goes to bed and Meeks is waiting for him the stripes on his uniform are that of a Sergeant.
• Continuity: A German soldier writing down the number of casualties is shown marking the thousands with commas, as usual in English. Later, the same soldier is shown using periods for thousands, as a German would.
• Revealing mistakes: The extreme close-up of Patton's eyebrows in the opening scene shows the mesh netting of the fake eyebrows.
• Revealing mistakes: As we see the local spectators during the Moroccoan military parade, one little boy keeps making faces and waving into the camera in every shot.
• Revealing mistakes: In the first battle of the film, a high angle long-shot shows a German soldier following a tank who falls forward from the shock of an explosion that happens behind him. But he falls shortly before the blast.
• Crew or equipment visible: When Patton is directing traffic in the muddy field, one of the tanks that is coming toward the camera is driven by a man wearing civilian clothes and a beret.
• Continuity: In Palermo, Patton climbs some steps to meet with the local Cardinal. As Patton starts up the steps, guards on those steps stand at attention and salute. In the next shot, as Patton kisses the Cardinal's ring, the guards are in the "at-ease" position.
• Revealing mistakes: During the first major battle in North Africa, the track marks from the German tank that overruns the infantry unit only start from 20 feet behind the tank.
• Continuity: When Patton tries to convince Maj. Gen. Lucian K. Truscott to launch an amphibious attack against the Germans, the bench on which he's reclining is flush against the wall. In the reverse-angle shots over Patton's shoulder, the entire back of the bench is visible as if it's several feet from the wall.
• Factual errors: Patton is shown having read a book, "The Tank in Battle", by his adversary, Erwin Rommel. Rommel never wrote any book dealing with tanks or armored warfare; however, he wrote several books on infantry tactics before the Second World War. Later, his diaries in command in France and North Africa were published.
• Continuity: When Patton talks with noncommissioned officers about Montgomery's campaign in Sicily, he has a magnifying glass in his left hand and a cup in his right. He sets down the magnifying glass to hold the cup with his left hand to put it on the table. In the next shot the cup is already on the table and he is holding the magnifying glass with the left hand.
• Factual errors: During the first battle scene Patton oversees, he uses a pair of binoculars clearly marked "JAPAN".
• Factual errors: Military time is not used consistently in the film. For example, the commander of the battle when the tanks run out of fuel tells Patton that the fighting started at 11:00 rather than 23:00 and, at the end of the film, Bradley tell Patton that dinner is at 6:30 rather than 18:30.
• Anachronisms: The German He-111 bombers that attack during the early battle scenes of the film were not equipped for the types of missions portrayed. These bombers were high-altitude level bombers and not dedicated ground attack aircraft. The German Luftwaffe would most likely have used Messerschmitt 109 fighters, Junkers Ju-88 bombers, or Junkers Ju-87 "Stuka" Tank killers for these missions.
• Factual errors: Early in the movie (after the Battle for the Kasserine Pass), it is mentioned that U.S. tanks used gasoline, the Germans used diesel. In fact all of Germany's World War II tanks used gasoline (petrol) except for some prototypes.
• Factual errors: This movie makes use of the real WWII Jeeps - the MB, GPW; manufactured by Willys & Ford from 1941 - 1945 as well as the first civilian Jeep vehicle, the CJ-2A produced in 1945. The CJ came with a tailgate, side-mounted spare tire, larger headlights, an external fuel cap and many more items that its military predecessors did not include. This "goof" is common in WWII movies.
• Factual errors: When Patton is shown directing traffic in a muddy field, he is directing two columns crossing each other at right angles. It makes no sense for two columns to be crossing each other's path.

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Trivia for Where Eagles Dare.

• The driving force behind the film was Richard Burton's stepson, who wanted to see his stepfather in a good old-fashioned adventure movie. Burton approached producer Elliott Kastner for ideas, who asked Alistair MacLean. At that time, most of MacLean's novels had either been made into films, or were in the process of being filmed. Kastner persuaded MacLean to write a new story. Six weeks later, MacLean delivered the script.
• Clint Eastwood was reluctant to receive second billing to Burton, but agreed after being paid $800,000.
• The "Schloss Adler" is actually the "Schloss Hohenwerfen" in Austria. At the time of filming, the castle was being used as a police training camp. There are no cable cars near Schloss Hohenwerfen. Hence the Cable Car shooting is done somewhere else.

• An accident during one of the action scenes left producer Elliott Kastner and director Brian G. Hutton badly burnt.
• Despite Eastwood's reputation for violence in other films, his character kills more people in this film than any other Eastwood character.
• The Junkers Ju 52 used in the film was still in use with the Swiss air force at the time. The Swiss also supplied the T-6 Texan trainers posing as "German fighters".
• Alistair MacLean wrote the script, which was later converted into novel. For this reason the movie follows the book faithfully.
• Kenneth Griffith was first intended for the Peter Barkworth role.
• This film contains roughly 1472 edits during 151 minutes of action, this equates to an average shot length of about 6 seconds.
• In a recent Channel 4 (UK) survey of the top 100 war movies Steven Spielberg voted this as his favorite. Mainly down to its sheer "boys own" factor of unreality. He even went so far as to repeat the "Broadsword calling Danny Boy" line.
• In the scenes where Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood climb the step fortress walls, Burton moves with ease, while Eastwood is clearly working hard physically. This was due to the fact that Burton, who was a hard-drinker and out-of-shape by that point, chose to ride a crane (made invisible by special effects) up the wall, whereas the young, healthy Eastwood was actually climbing the wall.
• Co-star Clint Eastwood referred to this movie as "Where Stuntmen Dared."
• Richard Burton wanted Richard Egan to play the Clint Eastwood role.
• The castle today is open to the public and is a falconry. Other than the exterior, the only feature that will be familiar to movie fans is the courtyard.

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Originally Posted by Von Poop

The Helicopter in 'Where Eagles dare'.

Goofs:

• Anachronisms: Although helicopters weren't widely used in military operations until well after World War II, the US and Germany had both experimental and production helicopters, but the helicopter shown landing inside the German compound was a Bell model 47 which did not see production until 1947
• Continuity: When Shaffer starts the cable car and runs to it to jump on himself, it doesn't actually start moving until he is nearly aboard.
• Revealing mistakes: During the classic corridor shootout between Schaeffer and the Nazis, the soldier who gets hit lying at the other end flies backwards before the ricochet charges in front of him go off.

• Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Christiansen fires at Smith through the roof of the cable car, he fires five shots yet the pistol can be heard to click empty on the fifth.
• Continuity: When Smith kicks Christiansen in the face on the roof of the cable car, there is already blood on Christiansen's face.
• Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Smith shoots the radio operator twice in the back, the second blood bag fails to go off in sync with the gunshot
• Factual errors: Schaffer's firing a machine pistol in each hand simultaneously would require almost superhuman strength.
• Crew or equipment visible: When the captured German Alpine Post Bus races throughout the airfield, Schaffer and Mary shoot several small jeeps which flip over. As they do, the rope that flipped them can be seen being pulled off screen.
• Crew or equipment visible: When Smith leads the group across the railroad tracks in Werfen, members of the film crew are reflected in the windows.
• Continuity: When Major Smith goes into the Bier Keller, he is wearing an officer's peaked cap. He takes it off and places it on the table and we never see it again. (Apparently, it was stolen from the set during the lunch break.)
• Continuity: When the traitor is shot while dangling from a rope outside the castle, the close-up shows him wearing a standard German field gray uniform. In the next shot, as he plummets to his death, he is wearing a camouflaged winter overcoat.
• Continuity: The bullet holes in the back of the bus appear then disappear during the final chase.
• Continuity: When Major Smith drives the captured German Alpine Post Bus toward the line of planes at Oberhausen Airfield, you can see that the Horizontal Stabilizer (small wing at the tail) of the first plane has already been destroyed, probably from a previous take.
• Continuity: When Mary Elison climbs out of the river, her hair is wet/dry/wet between shots.
• Revealing mistakes: When the metal canisters which landed by parachute at the beginning of the film are first seen, there is an obvious trail through the snow leading into the far trees, indicating the canisters were placed rather than parachuted into position.
• Continuity: When they prepare to leap into the river, the cable car appears to be over the middle of the river, perhaps even a close to the far bank. But when they do leap, the first jumper lands close the near bank and the cable car moves over the river once again.
• Factual errors: During the briefing, early in the movie, the team is told that General Carnaby had been on his way to meet with his Russian counterpart regarding D-Day plans and that the meeting place was to have been Crete. That would be impossible as Crete had been seized in a German airborne assault in the spring of 1941 and remained in German hands until the war ended.
• Continuity: As Major Smith and the group walk past the wood shed at Werfen their shadows disappear between shots.
• Revealing mistakes: When the Nazi car (after Smith and Shaeffer's arrest) is pushed into the ravine, it explodes without apparent reason before touching the ground. The same happens to the planes of the airfield being lightly hit on the tail by the German Alpine Post Bus.
• Continuity: Smith radios HQ and tells them he is..."effecting entry within the hour." At HQ, Smith's transmission of "Broadsword calling Danny boy" is heard at a significantly faster rate than Smith spoke it into his radio.
• Continuity: After Smith and Schaffer initially climb into the Schloss Adler, Schaffer puts on a cap and Smith doesn't have one as they walk out the door of a room and into a hall. Less than a minute later, both of them are walking down another hall, and Smith now has a hat similar to Schaffer's.
• Continuity: The scenes showing the escape out the window shows the stunt people rappelling normally with full rigging in the long shots, yet in the close up shots the actors are just holding onto the rope and they were not shown rigging the ropes for rappelling and did not show the use of any "D" rings or other rappelling gear.
• Revealing mistakes: Near the end of the corridor firefight, Schaffer retreats into the room and a German soldier throws a grenade through the door. In the widescreen version you can see the grenade strike the door frame and bounce back at the actor's feet, yet there is an explosion inside the room where the grenade would have landed. And grenades do not explode in a fireball as shown in this, (and other) movies.
• Revealing mistakes: The tree stump of a tree supposedly blown off by dynamite shows clear signs of being cut down with a chainsaw.
• Continuity: When escaping the castle, Smith helps Mary down from the roof of the cable car and then follows her into it. Between shots the chain blocking the entrance to the cable car disappears.
• Continuity: When Colonel Weissner's car crashes with Smith and Schaffer in it, the car launches over a pile of dirt and crashes into a second pile, throwing the Colonel out through the windshield. When Schaffer and Smith get out of the car, the dirt piles are gone, allowing them to push the car around and, ultimately, over the cliff with relative ease.
• Continuity: When Mary is escaping the castle on a rope, through the window, she moves backwards down the window sill to the edge of the wall. Both her hands are in front of her, holding the rope. The next shot shows her (stunt double) abseiling down the rope with one hand behind her back (the correct way to do it, the back hand is used as a brake).
• Continuity: When Schaffer and Smith enter the castle for the first time Smith suggests they disable the helicopter lest they try and fly General Carnaby out in it during their rescue attempt. Later on, after Schaffer kills the pilot in the radio room, Smith refers to Carnaby as Cartwright Jones instead. An actor impersonating the General.
• Factual errors: The only SS Mountain divisions, 'Handschar' and 'Prinz Eugen', were stationed in Yugoslavia during the war on anti-partisan operations.
• Continuity: The post bus used in the final escape has a black painted radiator with a silver circular badge on it when seen in the garage. However, when it is seen outside, the radiator and badge are painted red.
• Continuity: When Maj. Jonathan Smith is shot in the left hand closing a door behind him towards the final sequences of the film, he bandages the hand. This bandage and the blood on the bandage and his hand, disappears and reappears throughout the cable car scenes.
• Factual errors: Early in the film, Christiansen makes reference to a "Pathfinder squadron...with ten-ton bombs". The film is set some time before late 1944 which is when bombs of this size were developed, and the first wasn't dropped until March 1945. Also, the role of Pathfinder squadrons was marking targets, and they wouldn't have carried the bombs themselves.
• Plot holes: Although several stylish call signs are used in the radio transmissions ("Broadsword", "Danny Boy", "Father McCree"), most of the other operatives and Colonel Turner are referred to by name in open transmission.
• Factual errors: The firing pin of the Sten Mk 2 cannot be removed from the weapon as it is connected to the bolt.

Factual errors: SPOILER: Both Turner and Smith discuss the scandal to MI6 should the scandal of his treason get out. However, in 1939 the Nazis exposed MI6's networks in Europe, and the Special Operations Executive took over its functions in wartime.

[morse1001]

Originally Posted by lancesergeant

Anyone picked up on Battle of the River Plate, when you can see the ship's (Graf Spee's) number even though it's blacked out-one would think it was an American warship surely not.

It was! Can't remember its name.

[spidge]

Originally Posted by Morse1001

It was! Can't remember its name.

USS Salem (CA-139)

Never fired a shot in anger.

It can now be hired out for kids birthday parties

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Originally Posted by Von Poop

The Helicopter in 'Where Eagles dare'.

Talk about learning something new everyday:

• The driving force behind the film was Richard Burton's stepson, who wanted to see his stepfather in a good old-fashioned adventure movie. Burton approached producer Elliott Kastner for ideas, who asked Alistair MacLean. At that time, most of MacLean's novels had either been made into films, or were in the process of being filmed. Kastner persuaded MacLean to write a new story. Six weeks later, MacLean delivered the script.

ie. The screenplay was written before the book....unusual twist.