A question regards the Eastern Front.

4th wilts · 25-04-2008, 11:54 AM

o.k ladies and gents.was it hitlers intention to create living space in the east,as i have heard from mein kamf,or was hitler absolutely determined to destroy the red army at any price.i have heard that all the germans had to do do was kick in the door and the lot would crash down.what were the orders given to commanders attacking russia.lee.

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Lee, I thought this deserved it's own thread as it concerns the events up to 1941 rather than Kursk in 1943.
Owen

4th wilts · 25-04-2008, 12:57 PM

is anyone in agreement with my own opinion,that if hitler was after juust living space,his armies should or could have attacked and held the line of the dneper river.if so then the russians would have a different,stronger enemy.hitler would certainly have his living space.yours,lee.

von Poop · 25-04-2008, 01:02 PM

Russian Lebensraum was inextricable from the eradication of the local 'Untermensch' in Nazi ideology. Obviously the first could not exist without the second.

Cheers,
Adam.

4th wilts · 25-04-2008, 03:09 PM

does anyone know of any german officers,who actually put forward plans differing from barbarossa,if so,who and why.if it was just leibsrfaum,the germans would be in a good position after only oct 41.lee.

Gotthard Heinrici · 25-04-2008, 03:12 PM

Hitler had one shot, and only one shot at the Soviet Army. June 1941 was it. It wasnt just a question of Holding the Dneiper it was to destroy the soviet state and enslave its peoples. The key to success was the treatment of the non-russian states in the Soviet Union such as Byelorussia and Ukraine. If the 3rd Reich had treated those peoples better then they may have supported Hitler over Stalin. Problem was, german ideology dictated that these people were to be treated the same as the Russians. so they were on a hiding to nothing. If they couldnt knock the russians out with Blitzkrieg then they would be overwhelmed.

4th wilts · 25-04-2008, 03:24 PM

am in agreement with you gott.the germans would have been overrun,the question is when.if you had a fortified area,along that line,with huge armoured reserves,the russians would i imagine struggle somewhat harder to breach.lee.

25-04-2008, 11:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	A question regards the Eastern Front. o.k ladies and gents.was it hitlers intention to create living space in the east,as i have heard from mein kamf,or was hitler absolutely determined to destroy the red army at any price.i have heard that all the germans had to do do was kick in the door and the lot would crash down.what were the orders given to commanders attacking russia.lee.. Lee, I thought this deserved it's own thread as it concerns the events up to 1941 rather than Kursk in 1943. Owen Last edited by Owen; 25-04-2008 at 12:10 PM.

25-04-2008, 01:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 7,683	Russian Lebensraum was inextricable from the eradication of the local 'Untermensch' in Nazi ideology. Obviously the first could not exist without the second. Cheers, Adam. __________________ It's only the Internet.

25-04-2008, 03:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,495	Hitler had one shot, and only one shot at the Soviet Army. June 1941 was it. It wasnt just a question of Holding the Dneiper it was to destroy the soviet state and enslave its peoples. The key to success was the treatment of the non-russian states in the Soviet Union such as Byelorussia and Ukraine. If the 3rd Reich had treated those peoples better then they may have supported Hitler over Stalin. Problem was, german ideology dictated that these people were to be treated the same as the Russians. so they were on a hiding to nothing. If they couldnt knock the russians out with Blitzkrieg then they would be overwhelmed. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

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25-04-2008, 12:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	is anyone in agreement with my own opinion,that if hitler was after juust living space,his armies should or could have attacked and held the line of the dneper river.if so then the russians would have a different,stronger enemy.hitler would certainly have his living space.yours,lee.

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4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	does anyone know of any german officers,who actually put forward plans differing from barbarossa,if so,who and why.if it was just leibsrfaum,the germans would be in a good position after only oct 41.lee.

25-04-2008, 03:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	am in agreement with you gott.the germans would have been overrun,the question is when.if you had a fortified area,along that line,with huge armoured reserves,the russians would i imagine struggle somewhat harder to breach.lee.

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