Why Is Stalingrad So Important?

[Exxley]

Originally Posted by Herroberst

Pretty liberal definition of a liberal. Liberals are not bigots? Now that’s funny. In the US Liberals are the most anti-Christian group of people on the face of the earth. They make Muslims look tolerant. In the US, a liberal is someone that bitches about everything and does nothing and exploits the hard working. Someone so emotional and illogical that he/she is completely unaware of the faults of socialism. Fiscal liberals in the US are people that are very generous with someone else’s money. Your definition sounds like a liberal describing himself the way he thinks he is rather than what he really is.

Perfecto Jimbo. But you are more generous than I would be in my evaluation of the destroy America Party otherwise known as the Depression Party, AKA Dumocrats.

Why don't you answer it?

Because this has nothing to do with the current thread.

Gott, you may have some valid points about the East front but I wouldn't use Bagration as one of them. The Germans had very little left after Stalingrad and Kursk combined. Maybe that should be your point?

Actually, the German losses at Kursk were hardly significant at all. This is quite another popular myth about an overdramatized battle.
And to put thing into perspective, the Ostheer lost six times more men during the year and a half before the Stalingrad campaign. The Stalingrad losses were awful, but they didnt deplete the Ostheer (which was in fact stronger in June 1943 than during the winter of 1942-1943)

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Guys

My point about Bagration was not so much that they had worn down the Germans at that point but that they were capable of undertaking large scale strategic offensives with Army Groups and had learned from their earlier mistakes. They were not just Human Waves.

I also just want to say that yesterday I may have "gone off the rails" slightly on this and another thread. I would like to apologise if they were in any way provocative. I would like to reassure forum members that my brain has now kicked into gear and I will try not to let that happen in future!

[spidge]

It happens!

[Kiwiwriter]

Thread is now LOCKED.

Jimbotosome, take the discussion of postwar and modern political theory to ANOTHER SITE.

All other personnel, do not add to flame wars.