Stereotypes About The Red Army And Russia

[L J]

Originally Posted by Stig O'Tracy

I don't think I'd agree with this statement. Stalin was a xenophobe and had very little interest in the Internationale in fact he didn't trust them. In Stalinist Russia you could very easily find yourself in serious trouble even if you were a senior party member if you had contact with foreigners regardless of their political persuasion.

I believe that Stalin's main concerns were establishing even more firm control over his own state, potentially expanding the borders where possible as cheaply as possible and pushing forward their 5 year plans.

Fermenting communist revolution elsewhere in the world wasn't big on the list. The reason for this, besides his xenophobia, was that he realized that he couldn't exert his control over these foreigners. The last think he would have wanted to see was another European country, say Germany perhaps, become communist and eclipse the USSR as the premier Soviet state.

That Stalin did not trust foreign communist,I know (purge of the Comintern ),Stalin did not trust anybody ;every one was suspected of deviationism.
But the fact remains that the outbreak of WW II was a present for the SU and communism :no danger of a capitalist coalition against the SU (that this was theoretical is irrelevant,it happened in 1919-1920,and if you are that paranoic as Stalin ?),no danger of a war on two fronts (do not forget Japan !),4 hostile capitalist states who would weaken-exterminate themselves (for a marxist,there was no difference between capitalism and fascism ,the latter beying the last phase of the former,there ciould be no difference,otherwise Lenin would be wrong,perish the thought ,a very dangerous thought ):Lenin had said that capitalism would disappear due to its internal contradictions,and what was the picture for a true marxist :a capitalist civil war for the possession of markets and raw materials ,thus a proof that Lenin was right.

[tovarisch]

a new capitalist civil war with 4 years trench-war

You said that, LJ, not me

Fermenting communist revolution elsewhere in the world wasn't big on the list.

I don't know, but that was one of the main ideas and goals of the USSR, and the October revolution initially. A global communist government was what Lenin wanted in the beginning, I don't know about Stalin, he had his own agenda going on.

eclipse the USSR as the premier Soviet state

I don't think anybody was going to eclipse anyone, as any communist government was going to be greeted in arms, treated as brothers, not rivals. Cuba & China serve as my examples. I didn't notice any rivalry between the USSR and the aforementioned two.

[tovarisch]

[tovarisch]

"The Heart Of The World Revolution" - case and point.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by L J

That Stalin did not trust foreign communist,I know (purge of the Comintern ),Stalin did not trust anybody ;every one was suspected of deviationism.
But the fact remains that the outbreak of WW II was a present for the SU and communism :no danger of a capitalist coalition against the SU (that this was theoretical is irrelevant,it happened in 1919-1920,and if you are that paranoic as Stalin ?),no danger of a war on two fronts (do not forget Japan !),4 hostile capitalist states who would weaken-exterminate themselves (for a marxist,there was no difference between capitalism and fascism ,the latter beying the last phase of the former,there ciould be no difference,otherwise Lenin would be wrong,perish the thought ,a very dangerous thought ):Lenin had said that capitalism would disappear due to its internal contradictions,and what was the picture for a true marxist :a capitalist civil war for the possession of markets and raw materials ,thus a proof that Lenin was right.

Socialism in One Country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is one of the pillars of Stalinism and its not anything to do with World Revolution, the path that Lenin or Trotsky favoured

[Za Rodinu]

Shit, I spent months and months studying the damned theory 30 years ago and it was in Wikipedia all the time

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by Za Rodinu

Shit, I spent months and months studying the damned theory 30 years ago and it was in Wikipedia all the time

Now Za, everyone knows that Wiki only started in 2001 -if you went looking for it 30 years ago you wouldnt have found it!!!!

Why not peruse these links???? You may find them more to your taste!!

"Socialism in One Country"

http://www.janus.umd.edu/issues/sp07...OneCountry.pdf

Editorial Comment: "Socialism in One Country" (June 1942)

Actually no, just give us your take on the whole thing - Was Stalin planning to take over the world??

[tovarisch]

Like I said, Stalin had his own agenda and plans for perverting communism.

its thesis is held to be antithetical to Marxist Socialism by Trotskyists and others.

I tend to agree with the statement on Wikipedia, Stalin's ideas had little, or nothing to do with the ideas of true socialism, it was all about power pretty much. The 'socialist' ideas were conveniently harnessed to fit his ideology, and just served as a front for his regime, I should think. If he was proposed with some other more favourable theory or ideology that could have been more useful, he would have gone for that instead of communism.

[tovarisch]

Shit, I spent months and months studying the damned theory 30 years ago and it was in Wikipedia all the time

lololo

[Za Rodinu]

Yeah, Gott, should have waited for Al Gore to invent the Internet