Stereotypes About The Red Army And Russia

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A couple of other interesting pieces on lend lease.

According to Ukranian source: Andrew Gregorovich
The USA supplied the USSR with 6,430 planes, 3,734 tanks, 104 ships and boats, 210,000 autos, 3,000 anti-aircraft guns, 245,000 field telephones, gasoline, aluminum, copper, zinc, steel

and five million tons of food. This was enough to feed an army of 12 million every day of the war.

Britain supplied 5,800 planes, 4,292 tanks, and 12 minesweepers. Canada supplied 1,188 tanks, 842 armoured cars, nearly one million shells, and 208,000 tons of wheat and flour.

The USSR depended on American trucks for its mobility since 427,000 out of 665,000 motor vehicles (trucks and jeeps) at the end of the war were of western origin.

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[Dac]

Originally posted by GUMALANGI@Sep 16 2005, 09:17 PM
Nice sites spidge,...

But i can't found any sherman thereI thought Shermans were part of the package as well.,...

am not too sure where is this sherman roaming,.. but i was thought this was part of russian crewed sherman.

The Americans shipped the M4A2 Sherman to Russia. This tank was actually superior to the Shermans used by the Allies in the West at the time. It had two marine diesels, which meant it did not catch fire as easily as gasoline fueled tanks. With one engine shut down the M4A2 became one of the quietest tanks, allowing Russians tankers to sneak up on German positions. It also had the high velocity 76mm gun, which gave it much better penetration than the short-barreled 75mm.

An auxillary generator on the tank allowed Russin Shermans to stay warm overnight without running the diesels, something the crews valued highly!

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Originally posted by GUMALANGI@Sep 17 2005, 02:17 PM
Nice sites spidge,...

But i can't found any sherman thereI thought Shermans were part of the package as well.,...

am not too sure where is this sherman roaming,.. but i was thought this was part of russian crewed sherman.

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This list provides the numbers sent by the US, Britain & Canada and the actual numbers received.

British: Sent Received
Matilda IIA* 1084 918
Valentine II/III/IV/V/VII/IX/X 3782
(incl. 1388 from Canada) 3332
Valentine Bridgelayer 25
Churchill III/IV 301 253
Cromwell 6 6
Tetrarch 20 19
Universal Carrier 2560
(incl. 1348 from Canada)

American:
M3A1 Stuart 1676
M5 Stuart 5
M24 Chaffee 2
M3A3/M3A5 Lee/Grant 1386
M4A2 Sherman (75mm) 2007
M4A2 Sherman (76mm) 2095
M10 Wolverine 52
M18 Hellcat 5
M26 Pershing 1
M31 ARV 115
M15A1 MGMC 100
M17 MGMC 1000
T48 {Soviet name SU-57} 650 (from Britain)
M2 halftrack 342
M3 halftrack 2
M5 halftrack 421
M9 halftrack 413
T16 96
M3A1 Scout 3340
LVT 5

Note: During the transfer, numbers that were lost!
443 Stuarts,
417 M3 & M4,
54 halftracks,
228 Scouts,
320 Valentines,
43 Churchills,
252 Matildas,
224 Carriers.

The best Lend-Lease tank - Sherman (As Dac has so rightly pointed out)
The worst Lend-Lease tank - medium M3

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Double up previous post.

[GUMALANGI]

Originally posted by spidge+Sep 18 2005, 12:08 AM-->

This list provides the numbers sent by the US, Britain & Canada and the actual numbers received.

British: Sent Received
Matilda IIA* 1084 918
Valentine II/III/IV/V/VII/IX/X 3782
(incl. 1388 from Canada) 3332
Valentine Bridgelayer 25
Churchill III/IV 301 253
Cromwell 6 6
Tetrarch 20 19
Universal Carrier 2560
(incl. 1348 from Canada)

American:
M3A1 Stuart 1676
M5 Stuart 5
M24 Chaffee 2
M3A3/M3A5 Lee/Grant 1386
M4A2 Sherman (75mm) 2007
M4A2 Sherman (76mm) 2095
M10 Wolverine 52
M18 Hellcat 5
M26 Pershing 1
M31 ARV 115
M15A1 MGMC 100
M17 MGMC 1000
T48 {Soviet name SU-57} 650 (from Britain)
M2 halftrack 342
M3 halftrack 2
M5 halftrack 421
M9 halftrack 413
T16 96
M3A1 Scout 3340
LVT 5

Note: During the transfer, numbers that were lost!
443 Stuarts,
417 M3 & M4,
54 halftracks,
228 Scouts,
320 Valentines,
43 Churchills,
252 Matildas,
224 Carriers.

The best Lend-Lease tank - Sherman (As Dac has so rightly pointed out)
The worst Lend-Lease tank - medium M3

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exactly,.. but small wonder,... on the site,.,. shermans seems forgotten

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[quote=GUMALANGI,Sep 18 2005, 11:55 AM]

Originally Posted by spidge,Sep 18 2005, 12:08 AM

exactly,.. but small wonder,... on the site,.,. shermans seems forgotten

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Hi Gumalangi,

Can you explain the meaning of your last post?

[GUMALANGI]

[quote=spidge,Sep 18 2005, 03:15 AM]

Originally Posted by GUMALANGI,Sep 18 2005, 11:55 AM

Hi Gumalangi,

Can you explain the meaning of your last post?

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Tried to look for sherman in that site,.. however,.. unable to find one,.. as I am curious on how many and what type of shermans were sent to Russia,.. but Dac already give some information about that.

[angie999]

I think that if we get involved with the extent of lease-lend to the Soviet Union, we will be missing the point.

In his paper, Glantz was reviewing the historiography of the German-Soviet conflict and its impact on American perceptions (where even calling it the "Eastern Front" means borrowing a German term). He is not saying, for instance, that all lease-lend was useless, just that it was not crucial. In fact, transport and canned food in particular was very useful, as were grain imports after the loss of the Ukraine.

He makes the reasons quite clear. Reliance of German sources and writers who had an axe to grind, with no comparable access to Soviet sources.

Of course, in the 19 years since Glantz wrote this, he has become arguably the most notable Western historian of the German-Soviet conflict, mainly basing his work on Soviet sources, not that he is the most readable of writers. In spite of this, I would strongly recommend his Colossus Reborn: the Red Army at War, 1941-1943, University of Kansas Press, 2005, along with a number of other notable works. This is the second of a major trilogy on the Red Army from 1937 to 1945.

[Dac]

The Soviets were so secrective about all aspects of their society during the Cold War that most historians were forced to rely on other sorces to write WW II history involving Russia. It's only fairly recently that Soviets accounts have become available to clear up some misconceptions.

[MaxPower]

First

The best book on the subject is Richard (James) Overy book "Russia's War" from 1997 there he has accessed the soviet archives gotten them translated and written a very nice book

Second

The Food was great the trucks were great that were given in the lend lease program
Also all the raw materials and Radiostations and cablelines were all great

BUT

The tanks sucked big time!
No Soviet solider never wanted to use the 6 man coffin (name of the americans tanks) because they were many times inferior to the Soviet ones

Also Lend lease Tanks were allways considered light ones and only used for Scouting operations or sometimes against infentry but never Against other tanks or anti tank guns or self propelled artilery or normal artilery

Also it must be pointed out that when lend lease kicked in for real it was 1943 so all Soviet Milatery equipment was allways many times more supperior

BUT

The Lend Lease Equipment was much better then the Japanese which enabled the Soviets to switch the Soviet Equipment which they hade at the Manchurian border for the Lend Lease equipment

The Soviets During the whole war hade some 1.4-2 million men on that Border