Stereotypes About The Red Army And Russia

Originally Posted by Von Poop

Though they weren't so keen on the 'A' vehicles they were sent and would try to eventually replace them with T34's at the first opportunity you've only got to look at the background of pictures of Soviet troops to see the significance of Ford, Dodge, etc. 2&1/4's in moving the Army and it's supplies about. Look at Katushya Launchers and they're nearly always mounted on American trucks, Many of these vehicles served the SU well into the cold war.

in fact, russian army was transported by railroad trains. trucks were of no significance, cant you see.

[von Poop]

Originally Posted by stalin

in fact, russian army was transported by railroad trains. trucks were of no significance, cant you see.

Trucks were of NO significance???? Now I can definitely see you haven't nearly enough reading to back up your rambling. Have you read any personal accounts by Red Army soldiers? Do you have any idea of the state of the railways? Do you think that one single solitary Army in the entire 6 year conflict was able to really rely on the railway system for it's transport needs? Especially an Army that was pushing towards and through a shattered Germany that was destroying Rail links as it retreated (those that weren't being destroyed anyway from air attack). Railways get troops and supplies near to the front. After that their tactical significance is virtually nil.

broken railway is easily restored, you know. but whereas single soldiers like to drive trucks for personal comfort, army is transported by railroad.

[plant-pilot]

Originally Posted by stalin

broken railway is easily restored, you know. but whereas single soldiers like to drive trucks for personal comfort, army is transported by railroad.

Even today you'll see that the rail network can't get an army near enough to the objective to get the job done. If you don't have enough trucks you have the problem of 'ferrying' the troops and supplies to the area they are required in the limited vehicled you do have or picking everything up and walking with it. Both inflict severe planning delays and restrict tactical flexibility.

As for railways being repaired in quick order? That may be the case for small repairs, or even large repairs on a limited scale, but for the sort of scale you are looking at in the Soviet Union at the time? Major problem and it would be quicker to walk than repair rail in order to advance an army.

With your level of Logistic and Engineering expertise Stalin, I can only say that I'm so glad you aren't in the British Army.

[plant-pilot]

Originally Posted by stalin

broken railway is easily restored, you know. but whereas single soldiers like to drive trucks for personal comfort, army is transported by railroad.

I think you'll find that married soldiers like to be comfortable too, but that aside, road transport in forward logistic areas is much more practical than rail, which may be more practical for Strategic Supply.

[spidge]

Originally Posted by stalin

in fact, russian army was transported by railroad trains. trucks were of no significance, cant you see.

Who do you think supplied much of the rail that the lovely trains ran on!

The americans that you love to death!

You are so far behind boy they could not shoot you with a gun.

[spidge]

Originally Posted by stalin

broken railway is easily restored, you know. but whereas single soldiers like to drive trucks for personal comfort, army is transported by railroad.

You are a fool!

What do you see when you look in the mirror? A Woos just like your Uncle Joey!

Originally Posted by spidge

Who do you think supplied much of the rail that the lovely trains ran on! The americans that you love to death!

you what???
every joke should have it's limits.

Originally Posted by plant-pilot

Even today you'll see that the rail network can't get an army near enough to the objective to get the job done. If you don't have enough trucks you have the problem of 'ferrying' the troops and supplies to the area they are required in the limited vehicled you do have or picking everything up and walking with it. Both inflict severe planning delays and restrict tactical flexibility.

those days was not "today".

[Owen]

I'm posting this again on this thread to ram the fact home.
Here is an example of PQ convoy. In January of 1944, an American lend-lease convoy left Seattle bound for Vladivostok. Its manifest read as follows:

46 merchantmen (all 8-10K ton ships); built by McCormack Ship Yards; Soviet flagged (to avoid being torpedoed by the Japanese who could attack U.S. flagged vessels but who could not attack Soviet flagged ones) and Soviet crewed.

Six of the 46 ships were loaded with ammunitions and small arms. Four of the 46 ships were loaded with foodstuffs. Two of the 46 ships were loaded by Dodge (presumably with trucks). One ship was loaded by Westinghouse (presumably with communications gear).

They carried:


22.000 tons of steel provided by U.S. Steel.
3.000 truck chassis, by Ford (the Soviets also assembled U.S. trucks from parts).
3.000 truck differentials from Thornton Tandem Co.
2.000 tractors by Allis Chalmers Co. (agricultural and military use)
1.500 automotive batteries from the Price Battery Corp.
1.000 aircraft provided by the North American Aviation Co.
612 airplanes from the Douglas Aircraft Co.
600 trucks from Mack.
500 Allison aircraft engines.
500 half-tracks from Minneapolis Moline Co.
400 airplanes from Bell Aircraft
400 electric motors from Wagner Electric Co.
400 truck chassis by GM (see Ford above)
310 tons of ball bearings from the Fafnir Company.
200 aircraft provided by the U.S. Navy
200 aircraft engines by Aeromarine
100 tractor-trailer units by GM (trucks)
70 aircraft engines by Pratt & Whitney


The following table, not an inclusive one by any means, shows the extent of lend-lease aid the Western Allies provided to the Soviet Union from 01 October 1941 to 31 March 1946 (not a typo, aid went on well after WWII ended). CW - Commonwealth contribution; US - American contribution:

Aircraft - 7.411 (CW) + 14.795 (US) = 22.206
Automotive:
--- 1.5 ton trucks 151.053 (US)
--- 2.5 ton trucks 200.662 (US)
--- Willys Jeeps 77.972 (US)
Bren Gun Carriers - 2.560 (CW)
Boots - 15 million pairs (US)
Communications equipment:
--- Field phones - 380.135 (US)
--- Radios - 40.000 (US)
--- Telephone cable - 1.25 million miles (US)
Cotton cloth - 107 million square yards (US)
Foodstuffs - 4.5 million tons (US)
Leather - 49.000 tons (US)
Motorcycles - 35.170 (US)
Locomotives - 1.981 units (US)
Rolling stock - 11.155 units (US)
Tanks - 5.218 (CW) + 7.537 (US) = 12.755
Tractors - 8.701 (US)
Trucks - 4.020 (CW) + 357.883 (US) = 361.903

I will repeat the number of TRUCKS 4.020 (CW) + 357.883 (US) = 361.903

So stalin the Soviet Army did not need trucks eh?
Add this 361 903 to the Soviet made ones and answer me that.