CALM Discussion of the Eastern Front.

von Poop · 17-04-2006, 01:35 PM

Thought I'd start a nice shiny new thread for some REASONABLE discussion of the Eastern Front.

Comments by a new member underline that we're not very good at doing this without resorting to shouting (I include myself in this) so lets see if we're all bright enough to do it.

Politics will inevitably flare up (50 years of cold war will do that) but there is now 'the politics thread' where shouting can be tolerated, could the Mods request a shift there if any bother at all breaks out.

There are some very 'black' topics that could be covered but surely we could cover them in a friendly manner? On this thread lets try and ignore post-war references and concentrate specifically on ww2/great patriotic war issues. It's 50 years of post-war mistrust that contributes to the fog over the eastern front, let's see if we can skirt it a little.

Imagine Granny is reading!
Imagine a 9 year old is asking for his school project!
Imagine that we all want to learn just a little more about the Eastern Front!
BE NICE!!

Who's gonna start it off then? anyone got a burning eastern front question we can all have a jolly nice chat about?

plant-pilot · 17-04-2006, 01:41 PM

Sounds like a good idea, but I would like to point out, that if my Granny's reading...... there's something seriously psychic going on

morse1001 · 17-04-2006, 02:28 PM

We have to have a look at all the threads, so any wrong doing will be either deleted or edited

ComradeRomain · 17-04-2006, 04:30 PM

someone can tell me the story of kursk?

Za Rodinu · 17-04-2006, 06:25 PM

Wow, that's a bit of a challenge, isn't it? That takes some telling

I would suggest you do as I did and buy a couple of books on the subject, I recommend "The Battle of Kursk", D. Glatz + J.House, 280 pages + 120 pages on notes, appendixes and charts! Some 15 dollars in Abebooks or ebay.

plant-pilot · 17-04-2006, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Za Rodinu

Wow, that's a bit of a challenge, isn't it? That takes some telling

I agree, why not start with something a little bit less intense before hitting the BIG stuff?

Gage · 17-04-2006, 06:35 PM

What about the importance of the Volga?

17-04-2006, 07:24 PM

I know nadda about the Eastern Front, so teach me.

Za Rodinu · 17-04-2006, 07:35 PM

Well, that one is easier! The Volga is a very large river which in our context was of the prime importance as a waterway for barge traffic, and of prime importance too for power generation. It provides easy transportation to a large number of important cities along the way (list at bottom), some of whose names will be easily recognisable by us, except Volgograd which is goold old Stalingrad renamed by Khrushchev!

As I said there was a large amount of barge traffic along it, and the cutting of this was one of the reasons for the Stalingrad operation, but as we know that one did not work too well. Major cities beside S. would be Astrakhan for the oil, Gorky (now Nizhny Novgorod again) famous for the GAZ (Gorkii Avtomobil Zhavod - Gorky Automobile Plant) trucks and a tank plant too, at least, Kazan and Stavropol (now Togliatti) were also industrial centres.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...s_on_the_Volga

17-04-2006, 08:02 PM

Cheers ZR, i think I'm going to enjoy this thread.

17-04-2006, 01:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,373	CALM Discussion of the Eastern Front. Thought I'd start a nice shiny new thread for some REASONABLE discussion of the Eastern Front. Comments by a new member underline that we're not very good at doing this without resorting to shouting (I include myself in this) so lets see if we're all bright enough to do it. Politics will inevitably flare up (50 years of cold war will do that) but there is now 'the politics thread' where shouting can be tolerated, could the Mods request a shift there if any bother at all breaks out. There are some very 'black' topics that could be covered but surely we could cover them in a friendly manner? On this thread lets try and ignore post-war references and concentrate specifically on ww2/great patriotic war issues. It's 50 years of post-war mistrust that contributes to the fog over the eastern front, let's see if we can skirt it a little. Imagine Granny is reading! Imagine a 9 year old is asking for his school project! Imagine that we all want to learn just a little more about the Eastern Front! BE NICE!! Who's gonna start it off then? anyone got a burning eastern front question we can all have a jolly nice chat about?

17-04-2006, 01:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
plant-pilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 989	Sounds like a good idea, but I would like to point out, that if my Granny's reading...... there's something seriously psychic going on __________________ M3... the ship of the desert 2003

17-04-2006, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Za Rodinu So you hear voices too? Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,244	Wow, that's a bit of a challenge, isn't it? That takes some telling I would suggest you do as I did and buy a couple of books on the subject, I recommend "The Battle of Kursk", D. Glatz + J.House, 280 pages + 120 pages on notes, appendixes and charts! Some 15 dollars in Abebooks or ebay. __________________ "Tell me again, son, who lost the frigging war?"

17-04-2006, 06:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gage Battle of Barking Creek Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somewhere in Time Posts: 1,337	What about the importance of the Volga? __________________ 'There I stood at the bar, wearing a Mae West, no jacket, and beginning to leak blood from my torn boot. None of the golfers took any notice of me - after all, I wasn't a member!' Kenneth Lee - after being shot down on the 18th August 1940. John McClane: "Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs..." Avatar: SOE (F Section) agent Andree Borrel murdered at Natzweiler Camp 6th July 1944.

17-04-2006, 07:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Za Rodinu So you hear voices too? Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,244	Well, that one is easier! The Volga is a very large river which in our context was of the prime importance as a waterway for barge traffic, and of prime importance too for power generation. It provides easy transportation to a large number of important cities along the way (list at bottom), some of whose names will be easily recognisable by us, except Volgograd which is goold old Stalingrad renamed by Khrushchev! As I said there was a large amount of barge traffic along it, and the cutting of this was one of the reasons for the Stalingrad operation, but as we know that one did not work too well. Major cities beside S. would be Astrakhan for the oil, Gorky (now Nizhny Novgorod again) famous for the GAZ (Gorkii Avtomobil Zhavod - Gorky Automobile Plant) trucks and a tank plant too, at least, Kazan and Stavropol (now Togliatti) were also industrial centres. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...s_on_the_Volga __________________ "Tell me again, son, who lost the frigging war?"

17-04-2006, 02:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
morse1001 Very Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland Posts: 4,585	We have to have a look at all the threads, so any wrong doing will be either deleted or edited

17-04-2006, 04:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
ComradeRomain Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 39	someone can tell me the story of kursk?

17-04-2006, 07:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kitty Guest Posts: n/a	I know nadda about the Eastern Front, so teach me.

17-04-2006, 08:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kitty Guest Posts: n/a	Cheers ZR, i think I'm going to enjoy this thread.

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