the US & UK merely assisted Russia in WW2

[raf]

o yes berbatov...scored 4 goals today....spurs 6 reading 4

i wouldnt hold to much hope in meeting the liverpool guy again...he's probably in jail....

[BulgarianSoldier]

Originally Posted by raf

o yes berbatov...scored 4 goals today....spurs 6 reading 4

i wouldnt hold to much hope in meeting the liverpool guy again...he's probably in jail....

There were one liverpool fan in Bulgaria who was arrested for trying to kill bulgarian milan fan.
I balive we get the fan transported back to England where he didn't get beat up enough, that made a lot of bulgarians kind of angry
We aweys lick someones backside, first it was the Russians then it was the Germans for a little then again the Russians, and now it is the whole western world.

Dani

[freebird]

Originally Posted by raf

but could russia have won on its own with no help from others?

Originally Posted by T-34

yes, it could.

And the basis for your claim is ???? (crystal ball?)

Originally Posted by T-34

hmmm...
in Leningrad they died of starvation but still withstood a blockade...

A big part of that was the road over the ice, if the Germans were not delayed in the Balkans and reached Leningrad in August, how would they build the ice-road exactly?

Originally Posted by spidge

Except for denial of everything that has been put forward you have not provided one fact (or theory) of how Russia could have survived without the allies fighting on other fronts and providing material support.

The war was won however that is all you are aware of. You seem not to know or simply refuse to acknowledge, that many events in other areas allowed Russia to concentrate on defeating the German invaders.

There is no argument that Russia paid the highest price in lives in achieving victory in the east however they would have not been able to react to the German juggernaut without material support being supplied by the other allied nations. More important was the continued destruction of the German war industry by allied air forces who lost over 120,000 men in the delivery of that destruction.

Sadly, your continued denial to these facts gives you no credibility in this debate.

Well put Spidge.

[Christos]

Spidge.....I honestly think this is "point proven" with your Zukhov memoirs....

Nothing like comments from the horses mouth to seal the debate.....welll done Spidge!

[4th wilts]

certainly a good discussion though.very useful lend lease info.thanks all,yours.lee.

[T-34]

Originally Posted by raf

...
the 3 fronts the germans did
the 4 fronts the uk did
the 4 fronts the us did
russia 1 front...

but what a hell of the front that one was !!
the Red Army had to grind down more enemy's troops than the Allies had to on their fronts !!

[T-34]

Originally Posted by spidge

... you have not provided one fact of how Russia could have survived without the allies fighting on other fronts and providing material support...

i only wanted to point out that there are no facts of otherwise, either.
i mean, no one can say for sure - if the Allies' help was vital for Russia.

Originally Posted by spidge

... More important was the continued destruction of the German war industry by allied air forces..

still, the loss in manpower was what bled the Nazis out.



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[deadb_tch]

Guys, when will u stop this thread without-future? There were no country in WW2 that could fight alone without allies as good as it was with them. dot.

[machine shop tom]

Originally Posted by T-34

i
i mean, no one can say for sure - if the Allies' help was vital for Russia.....



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i have a feeling very few educated people would have a problem realizing that the Allies help was critical to Russia's success.

tom

[T-34]

Originally Posted by machine shop tom

... very few educated people would have a problem realizing that the Allies help was critical to Russia's success.

well, within the education system supervised by the FBI or MI6 - that's true.