the US finished the war ? - Page 2

BulgarianSoldier · 30-12-2007, 04:50 PM

Jacobtowne thats not exactly true. Germany have start making a-bomb, but they didn't know exactly how to send it to USA.The problem was the fuel and the engine.
The bomb was constructed in Norway i balive, but some SAS agents ambushed a convoy carrying vital parts for the bomb and destroyed them.
I watched this on discovery channel.

Dani

raf · 30-12-2007, 05:07 PM

dani...the film was hereos of telemark and they were mainly norwegian only a few uk troops...

but it was only heavy water the first part in the process and still along way of the finished product i believe

i think germany were still a few years behind

4th wilts · 30-12-2007, 05:12 PM

hey dani,we have lots of gypsies near where i am near bradford,they fixed my mates car.nice people.yours,lee.

4th wilts · 30-12-2007, 05:19 PM

i understood that after the war,the british bugged a room where german scientists were kept,as far as i knew they deliberately slowed up their work.yours,lee

BulgarianSoldier · 30-12-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4th wilts

hey dani,we have lots of gypsies near where i am near bradford,they fixed my mates car.nice people.yours,lee.

There are not nice in Bulgaria we have a major problem with them around here, i mean the whole Balkans not only Bulgaria.

Raf whats that movie your speaking about i mean, this was just a movie not true ?

Dani

raf · 30-12-2007, 11:24 PM

o it was true...im sure someone will have a link somewhere...

von Poop · 30-12-2007, 11:37 PM

Vemork raid.
Operations Freshman, Grouse, & Gunnerside.

Operation Freshman
Lots more out there.

Cheers,
Adam.

mahross · 30-12-2007, 11:54 PM

If memory serves me right the US used up its nuclear arsenal with the two bombs but by December another three had been constructed.

As to the German bomb the problem was not the fuel but the calculation involving the amount of uranium need to cause fission. Werner Heisenberg who was a theoretical physicist headed the German program. His calculations were out by several powers of 10. This led him to believe that the amount of uranium need would be prohibitive for a useful bomb. The allies discovered this at the end of the war when the German team was taken to Farm Hall for debriefing. After the war, ten German scientists, Erich Bagge, Kurt Diebner, Walther Gerlach, Paul Harteck, Horst Korsching, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker, Karl Wirtz, Werner Heisenberg, Otto Hahn, who had co-discovered nuclear fission, and Max von Laue, an ardent anti-Nazi, were taken captive by Allied forces and put under secret watch at Farm Hall, England, as part of Operation Epsilon. Their conversations were recorded as Allied analysts attempted to discover the extent of German knowledge about nuclear weapons. The results were inconclusive, but they allowed them to hear the results of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Japan, which sent Hahn into a near-suicidal despair. By the next morning, Heisenberg claimed to have worked out exactly how the American atomic bomb must have worked, judging from reports of the damage and explosive size, and gave a lecture to the rest of the captive scientists on the effort. While it is clear that Heisenberg had a firm understanding of the principles involved, he, consciously or erroneously, greatly overestimated the amount of fissionable material required by several orders of magnitude.

Ross

jacobtowne · 31-12-2007, 04:22 PM

There's a fairly detailed account of the operations against Norsk Hydro in Piekalkiewicz's book on clandestine ops.

JT

4th wilts · 31-12-2007, 04:44 PM

and ray mears popular t.v show.yours,lee.

30-12-2007, 04:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
BulgarianSoldier Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 815	Jacobtowne thats not exactly true. Germany have start making a-bomb, but they didn't know exactly how to send it to USA.The problem was the fuel and the engine. The bomb was constructed in Norway i balive, but some SAS agents ambushed a convoy carrying vital parts for the bomb and destroyed them. I watched this on discovery channel. Dani __________________ 24 Wonders The old history of Bulgarian nation!

30-12-2007, 11:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,471	Vemork raid. Operations Freshman, Grouse, & Gunnerside. Operation Freshman Lots more out there. Cheers, Adam. __________________ It's only the Internet.

30-12-2007, 11:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
mahross Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Penzance, Cornwall, UK Posts: 263	If memory serves me right the US used up its nuclear arsenal with the two bombs but by December another three had been constructed. As to the German bomb the problem was not the fuel but the calculation involving the amount of uranium need to cause fission. Werner Heisenberg who was a theoretical physicist headed the German program. His calculations were out by several powers of 10. This led him to believe that the amount of uranium need would be prohibitive for a useful bomb. The allies discovered this at the end of the war when the German team was taken to Farm Hall for debriefing. After the war, ten German scientists, Erich Bagge, Kurt Diebner, Walther Gerlach, Paul Harteck, Horst Korsching, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker, Karl Wirtz, Werner Heisenberg, Otto Hahn, who had co-discovered nuclear fission, and Max von Laue, an ardent anti-Nazi, were taken captive by Allied forces and put under secret watch at Farm Hall, England, as part of Operation Epsilon. Their conversations were recorded as Allied analysts attempted to discover the extent of German knowledge about nuclear weapons. The results were inconclusive, but they allowed them to hear the results of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Japan, which sent Hahn into a near-suicidal despair. By the next morning, Heisenberg claimed to have worked out exactly how the American atomic bomb must have worked, judging from reports of the damage and explosive size, and gave a lecture to the rest of the captive scientists on the effort. While it is clear that Heisenberg had a firm understanding of the principles involved, he, consciously or erroneously, greatly overestimated the amount of fissionable material required by several orders of magnitude. Ross __________________ Thoughts on Military History

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30-12-2007, 05:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
raf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: wigan Posts: 388	dani...the film was hereos of telemark and they were mainly norwegian only a few uk troops... but it was only heavy water the first part in the process and still along way of the finished product i believe i think germany were still a few years behind

30-12-2007, 05:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	hey dani,we have lots of gypsies near where i am near bradford,they fixed my mates car.nice people.yours,lee.

30-12-2007, 05:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	i understood that after the war,the british bugged a room where german scientists were kept,as far as i knew they deliberately slowed up their work.yours,lee

30-12-2007, 11:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
raf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: wigan Posts: 388	o it was true...im sure someone will have a link somewhere...

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jacobtowne Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New England, U.S.A. Posts: 618	There's a fairly detailed account of the operations against Norsk Hydro in Piekalkiewicz's book on clandestine ops. JT

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4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,032	and ray mears popular t.v show.yours,lee.

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