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Mikeo · 13-07-2008, 10:06 PM

Can anyone pse help with the following abbreviations which are contained in a document at the National Archive? The document concerns an American radio intercept station near Eastbourne.

E.T.O.U.S.A. – I assume this means ‘European Theatre of Operations, United States Army (?)

C.R.R. – The context is: “The C.R.R. consists only of about a dozen people and works in principle along the lines of the Chicksands one.” Also: “The master serjeant who is in charge of the set room is allowed free access to the C.R.R. but minute to minute control is done through loudspeakers and C.R.R.”

T.O. – “The average daily number of messages taken is in the region of 500 non-indicator and 300 TO.”

I hope that someone on this site may be able to help. On the other hand, and for future reference, is there a separate site (forum) devoted to Y Service and/or Bletchley Park matters?

Thank you …

M

Bodston · 13-07-2008, 11:58 PM

I can't help with the abbreviations unfortunately. Although I did get to visit RAF Chicksands in the late '80's, during a former life. I did get a tour of their famous AN/FLR-9 CDDA "Elephant Cage" and visited the little museum.
I am still always interested in this clandestine stuff. What is your connection?

Edit: how time flies. It would have been early 80's

Auditman · 14-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Hi Boring but Google suggests CRR = Compilation & Records Room

Mikeo · 14-07-2008, 02:22 PM

Well, "Compilation and Records Room" would appear to be it. When I put the whole term back into Google, up came the following juicy site:-

Beaumanor Park Operational Huts

Lots of good stuff there, by the look of it.

A couple of months back I bought a VG (remaindered) book called, "Voices of the Codebreakers". It has accounts by people who served in all branches ... Y Service, linguists, technicians, SLU, mathematicians, the lot.

My background is: Merchant Navy R/O > ham radio > RAF AEO > linguist. But I never worked in Y service or the like.

Thanks again ...

M

MLW · 14-07-2008, 09:15 PM

Yes, you can assume that E.T.O.U.S.A. = European Theatre of Operations, United States Army. But I suppose if if it a US abbreviation then "Theatre" is spelled "Theater."

Mikeo · 15-07-2008, 07:56 AM

Thanks for the confirmation ... all I need now is the meaning of "TO".

M

Capt.Sensible · 15-07-2008, 02:43 PM

You could always try the good people at Sub-Brit, they have helped out colleagues of mine in the past.

CS

Subterranea Britannica: Contacts

Mikeo · 15-07-2008, 07:54 PM

Thanks, but I think I'd better try to find a website / group specialising in comms.

von Poop · 15-07-2008, 08:11 PM

These chaps may be up your street Mike:
The ORIGINAL Wireless Set No. 19 Group

Cheers,
Adam.

Mikeo · 16-07-2008, 07:51 PM

Thanks ... I'll see if I can contact anyone. The Royal Corps of Sigs Museum is another possibility, I suppose. There doesn't seem to be a forum (or section of a forum) devoted to SIGINT.
M

13-07-2008, 10:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mikeo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Abbreviations … Can anyone pse help with the following abbreviations which are contained in a document at the National Archive? The document concerns an American radio intercept station near Eastbourne. E.T.O.U.S.A. – I assume this means ‘European Theatre of Operations, United States Army (?) C.R.R. – The context is: “The C.R.R. consists only of about a dozen people and works in principle along the lines of the Chicksands one.” Also: “The master serjeant who is in charge of the set room is allowed free access to the C.R.R. but minute to minute control is done through loudspeakers and C.R.R.” T.O. – “The average daily number of messages taken is in the region of 500 non-indicator and 300 TO.” I hope that someone on this site may be able to help. On the other hand, and for future reference, is there a separate site (forum) devoted to Y Service and/or Bletchley Park matters? Thank you … M

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Bodston Little Willy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just around the corner Posts: 1,940	I can't help with the abbreviations unfortunately. Although I did get to visit RAF Chicksands in the late '80's, during a former life. I did get a tour of their famous AN/FLR-9 CDDA "Elephant Cage" and visited the little museum. I am still always interested in this clandestine stuff. What is your connection? Edit: how time flies. It would have been early 80's __________________ My mother told me, I never should, play with the gypsies in the wood. Last edited by Bodston; 14-07-2008 at 08:43 AM.

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MLW Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 163	Yes, you can assume that E.T.O.U.S.A. = European Theatre of Operations, United States Army. But I suppose if if it a US abbreviation then "Theatre" is spelled "Theater." __________________ www.maginotlineatwar.com

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14-07-2008, 01:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Auditman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 193	Hi Boring but Google suggests CRR = Compilation & Records Room

14-07-2008, 02:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mikeo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Well, "Compilation and Records Room" would appear to be it. When I put the whole term back into Google, up came the following juicy site:- Beaumanor Park Operational Huts Lots of good stuff there, by the look of it. A couple of months back I bought a VG (remaindered) book called, "Voices of the Codebreakers". It has accounts by people who served in all branches ... Y Service, linguists, technicians, SLU, mathematicians, the lot. My background is: Merchant Navy R/O > ham radio > RAF AEO > linguist. But I never worked in Y service or the like. Thanks again ... M

15-07-2008, 07:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mikeo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Thanks for the confirmation ... all I need now is the meaning of "TO". M

15-07-2008, 02:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Capt.Sensible Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Directly above the centre of the earth... Posts: 922	You could always try the good people at Sub-Brit, they have helped out colleagues of mine in the past. CS Subterranea Britannica: Contacts

15-07-2008, 07:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mikeo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Thanks, but I think I'd better try to find a website / group specialising in comms.

15-07-2008, 08:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
von Poop Adaministrator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Abbey of Thelema Posts: 8,596	These chaps may be up your street Mike: The ORIGINAL Wireless Set No. 19 Group Cheers, Adam.

16-07-2008, 07:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mikeo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Thanks ... I'll see if I can contact anyone. The Royal Corps of Sigs Museum is another possibility, I suppose. There doesn't seem to be a forum (or section of a forum) devoted to SIGINT. M

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