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28-07-2008, 08:30 PM
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| Silly old moo   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland
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 | ... Sergeant Major be a mother to me? Is there listed anywhere the definitions of ranks of Sergeant / Sergeant Major within the British Army? I am to say the least a little confused about the varying titles, ORQMS, Colour Serg., RSM, CSM, SSM, DSM, PSM., etc … what their responsibilities were and to whom they would have been answerable/for whom responsible? Something concise that even the stupid could understand would be great …  Thanks d
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28-07-2008, 10:36 PM
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| Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland
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Thanks for answering, I found this, is it what you were looking at? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Other_Ranks_rank_insignia Drill / Pipe Sergeant Major are probably the least of my worries. Right now I am trying to work out the responsibilities within a bn. Whilst reading a History I keep coming across these ranks and it would be nice to know the background etc. to them. Thanks, Diane | |
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28-07-2008, 11:29 PM
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| Vejovis   Join Date: Feb 2004
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PSM can be Platoon Sergeant Major (a WO III) in Foot Guards and Infantry of the line. The rank of Warrant Officer class III was introduced in October 1938 and put in "suspended animation" in 1940. other WOIII s are SSM (Section Sergeant Major) (not to be confused with the SSM who is a Squadron Sergeant Major and, therefore a WOII) and TSM (Troop Sergeant Major). Just thought I'd stir the mud up a little!  Dave.
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28-07-2008, 11:42 PM
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| Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland
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That you have . The one thing I thought I had sussed was SSM - Squadron SM! Which I am still holding to in the case of the armoured bn. And yes, we are talking Foot Guards - Micks in my case. Diane | |
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28-07-2008, 11:50 PM
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| Vejovis Join Date: Feb 2004
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Sorry!  (want another SSM? - Staff Sergeant Major (a WOI appointment). There you go - a SSM can be either WO1 , WO2 or WO3 !!!! (I'll shut up now!) Dave.
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28-07-2008, 11:53 PM
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| WW2 Veteran   Join Date: May 2004
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| Croonaert - and you did that very well.... ! DBF - the other ranks link is the better of the lot as it shows the main other ranks - basically the RSM ran the battalion - in conjuction with the Colonel - although the C.O. invariably thought he ran it as he signed for everything - same with CSM/ SSM - (squadron sgt major of Armoured regiments ) there were other WO's and N.C.O's in title depending on the various tasks they performed i.e WO1 for REME - not necssarily an RSM - but head man of that group, and HE ran that group - all of thm reported to the top Officer in the Battalion/ Group etc....and HE must be obeyed with alacrity as in God like ! Cheers |
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28-07-2008, 11:58 PM
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| Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland
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Nooooooooooooooo! Don't shut up now, we're only getting started surely...  Any others? What about QM Sergeant? d
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29-07-2008, 12:06 AM
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| WW2 Veteran Join Date: May 2004
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| DBF - the Micks were always different - they would jump from lance corporal to lance sergeant just because Queen Victoria said so - then to Platoon sgt and on and upwards - many and varied are the non comm ranks depending on the regiment - and don't go anywhere near the cavalry...BUT the Officers were always in charge that means when things went wrong - it was all their fault ! Cheeers |
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29-07-2008, 12:12 AM
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| Top Moose   Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs
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 | Household Cavalry are even more awkward. They have Staff Corporals. Staff Corporal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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