Axis Vs Jap.

[Paratrooper]

Personaly i think that Axis would have won...They had mutch better tanks and aircraft.Japan may have had a better navy but didnt use its submarines correctly and probaly would have been whiped out by U-boats.Japan had a more Commited army but the tank factor realy hurts Japan.

[Will O'Brien]

Paratrooper................Depends on where you pick as the location for the conflict.............I think 'home' advantage would play a big part in any theoretical conflict between these two. Wouldn't fancy the chances of the Axis powers in the steaming jungles of Indo-China as all the U-boats & Tiger tanks in the world wouldn't make a jot of difference.............If it was a conflict on the plains of Eastern Europe that would be another thing.

[Thomas McCall]

The axis fighting the Japanese would be the same to fighting the Russians in respect to there sucidal bravery in the field. Therefore the Japanese fighting anywhere would still make a hard opponent

[Brummy]

with two apponents fighting over such a distance Naval and air power is everything. Japs had aircraft carriers Axis did not = Japanese victory.

Brum

[morse1001]

with two apponents fighting over such a distance Naval and air power is everything. Japs had aircraft carriers Axis did not = Japanese victory.

given the distance that they would have to travel and the advance warning it would give and the superiority of the U-boats, then I do not think that the Japanese carriers would be much of a problem.

[Thomas McCall]

I agree with Morse 1001 the Axis U-boat fleet was extremely effective and probably would have tipped the balance of naval strengh in favour of the Axis. But we musn't forget that aircraft destroyed more german u-boats than any other weapon.

[morse1001]

what we must not forget was that the u-boat service suffered such heavy losses because of the cracking of enigma machine, which meant that the allies could read the signals of the u-boats.

The availablity of HF/DF to plot the HF signals from the U-boats.

The introduction of RADAR on Aircraft

the introduction of VLR aircraft to close the gap

The introduction of the liegh light on aircraft.

Japaneses radar was not so advanced as ours, their crypto services were very weak and they did not have the very long range aircraft at their disposal

[angie999]

The Japanese merchant fleet was cut to pieces by the US submarines in the Pacific. Japan was very vulnerable to submarine attacks - as long as there were bases such as Pearl Harbor to operate them from.

But are we not forgetting something here? Surely the Japanese were part of the Axis.

And just why would Germany or Italy fight Japan? The Japanese attacked the Americans and British because they were rival powers in Asia and the Pacific. The Germans and Italians were not.

[Brummy]

Originally posted by morse1001@Jul 14 2004, 11:58 AM

given the distance that they would have to travel and the advance warning it would give and the superiority of the U-boats, then I do not think that the Japanese carriers would be much of a problem.

Ah! but what if it was the Axis traveling the large distance for an offensive on Japan?
How long would a U boat be able to operate in the Pacific after traveling from a German or Italian harbour before it would have to start looking for a 'Milk cow' re-supply boat? And without any opposition Japanese aircraft could play merry hell with uboat opperations and cut to pieces any surface fleet sent.

Brum

[morse1001]

Originally posted by Brummy@Jul 14 2004, 07:35 PM

Ah! but what if it was the Axis traveling the large distance for an offensive on Japan?
How long would a U boat be able to operate in the Pacific after traveling from a German or Italian harbour before it would have to start looking for a 'Milk cow' re-supply boat? And without any opposition Japanese aircraft could play merry hell with uboat opperations and cut to pieces any surface fleet sent.

Brum

Any large surface fleet sent by germany would include things like a submarine tender, flak ships and repair vessels.

it would not be a raggle taggle fleet.

Also, very few american subs were sunk by japanese naval Air power.