Biggest Mistake of WWII - Page 19

spidge · 18-02-2006, 01:47 AM

This whole piece is interesting however from 74 on is pertaining to the topic.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/...H-Frame-3.html

Herroberst · 18-02-2006, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spidge

As Exxley said that debt was paid.

Franco knew that if he attacked Gibraltar, Britain would take the Canary Islands.

My point was Hitler saved Franco from losing power with his 20,000 men during the Civil War where as the 47,000 men sent to Russia in the Blue Division were helpful but did not change the tide of war in the East.

Without Naval superiority in the Mediterranean the Allies would have lost North Afrika.

spidge · 18-02-2006, 02:08 AM

Not in doubt.

The problem with the "Axis" and their "puppets" was the inability to pull it all together. The allies had problems but to their credit did it better.

Kitty · 13-03-2006, 07:40 PM

If I should die, think only this of me,
That there is a corner of some foreign field
That is, forever, England.

I think his stands for any nation, even though it mentions England. The most moving moment of my life was at the German War cemetry in Cannock.
Now can we move the argument to the Barracks cos i am actually enjoying it. Oi! Mods! Move it please!

Kitty · 15-03-2006, 02:28 PM

Sorry, the above post should be in a different forum. Just ignore me...

Herroberst · 20-03-2006, 03:56 AM

Mossy...We can call you pussycat, we can call you Kitty but we will never ignore you

ComradeRomain · 24-03-2006, 05:21 AM

Well Franco was very eccentric, he did not share Hitler's extreme excitment for domination, Franco was simply a very conservative, yet not 'revolutionary' rightist as many have labelled Hitler as. Franco was just anxious to put the status quo back in place and put those workers and peasants in their place. And the legion he sent to the eastern front wasnt much either as Spaniards were not well equipped, however very courageous as many of them were remnants of the spanish civil war.

As for mistakes, well when Hitler invaded Yugoslavia, after having taken the coup-d'état as a personal insult, he made the English make a move in Greece, thus forcing Hitler to also invade Greece. This in fact pushed operation Barbarossa back a couple very crucial weeks. We can see that the great summer advances of the Germans was halted by the russian fall, as russian roads get very muddy, the tanks would stay stuck. Had the germans had a few more weeks they would have had Moscow captured and put a major blow on soviet morale. Lets not forget that the German's halt gave way to major displacements of industry where EVERYTHING was moved towards the east, making russia's industry survive. And considering Russia basically bled Hitler's armies to death for the next 4 years to come, that is one BIG mistake Hitler made based on anger.

Kiwiwriter · 24-03-2006, 06:01 PM

Franco was also one-fourth Jewish, so he was not as in tune with Hitler's anti-Semitic rhetoric.

But he is continuing his valiant struggle to remain dead.

Kitty · 24-03-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herroberst

Mossy...We can call you pussycat, we can call you Kitty but we will never ignore you

Aww, sweet. See you at the duel.
Kitty

larscollins · 24-03-2006, 09:24 PM

the biggest mistake of world war 2 was the bombing of PEarl Harbor definitely we tried to stay out of the war up until then but it obviously did not work when the Japanese bombed us but we did retaliate with the bombings of HIroshima and Nagasaki we brought Japan down to its knees and then we helped them rebuild which was dumb why bomb them and then help them rebuild they bombed pearl harbor we lost members of the american family

18-02-2006, 01:47 AM	#181 (permalink)
spidge Legendary Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,044	This whole piece is interesting however from 74 on is pertaining to the topic. http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/...H-Frame-3.html __________________ Spidge, ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm

18-02-2006, 02:08 AM	#183 (permalink)
spidge Legendary Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,044	Not in doubt. The problem with the "Axis" and their "puppets" was the inability to pull it all together. The allies had problems but to their credit did it better. __________________ Spidge, ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm

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Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,431	Francisco Franco Franco was also one-fourth Jewish, so he was not as in tune with Hitler's anti-Semitic rhetoric. But he is continuing his valiant struggle to remain dead. __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

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13-03-2006, 07:40 PM	#184 (permalink)
Kitty Legendary Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,121	If I should die, think only this of me, That there is a corner of some foreign field That is, forever, England. I think his stands for any nation, even though it mentions England. The most moving moment of my life was at the German War cemetry in Cannock. Now can we move the argument to the Barracks cos i am actually enjoying it. Oi! Mods! Move it please!

15-03-2006, 02:28 PM	#185 (permalink)
Kitty Legendary Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,121	Sorry, the above post should be in a different forum. Just ignore me...

24-03-2006, 05:21 AM	#187 (permalink)
ComradeRomain Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 39	Well Franco was very eccentric, he did not share Hitler's extreme excitment for domination, Franco was simply a very conservative, yet not 'revolutionary' rightist as many have labelled Hitler as. Franco was just anxious to put the status quo back in place and put those workers and peasants in their place. And the legion he sent to the eastern front wasnt much either as Spaniards were not well equipped, however very courageous as many of them were remnants of the spanish civil war. As for mistakes, well when Hitler invaded Yugoslavia, after having taken the coup-d'état as a personal insult, he made the English make a move in Greece, thus forcing Hitler to also invade Greece. This in fact pushed operation Barbarossa back a couple very crucial weeks. We can see that the great summer advances of the Germans was halted by the russian fall, as russian roads get very muddy, the tanks would stay stuck. Had the germans had a few more weeks they would have had Moscow captured and put a major blow on soviet morale. Lets not forget that the German's halt gave way to major displacements of industry where EVERYTHING was moved towards the east, making russia's industry survive. And considering Russia basically bled Hitler's armies to death for the next 4 years to come, that is one BIG mistake Hitler made based on anger.

24-03-2006, 09:24 PM	#190 (permalink)
larscollins Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1	the biggest mistake of world war 2 was the bombing of PEarl Harbor definitely we tried to stay out of the war up until then but it obviously did not work when the Japanese bombed us but we did retaliate with the bombings of HIroshima and Nagasaki we brought Japan down to its knees and then we helped them rebuild which was dumb why bomb them and then help them rebuild they bombed pearl harbor we lost members of the american family

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