Biggest Mistake of WWII - Page 25

4th wilts · 27-10-2007, 02:52 PM

allowing a broad front after the battle of normandy

Gotthard Heinrici · 27-10-2007, 06:11 PM

Hitler declaring war on the US on December 8th 1941, the day the Allies won the war.

P51fan · 30-01-2008, 12:10 AM

Germans failure to finish the British at Dunkirk. Hitler had a chance to force the British to sue for peace had they not allowed the Brits to escape. Why Hitler held back the Panzers is still a mystery.
The second part was "Operation Barbarossa" the day the Germans invaded the Soviet Union was really the beginning of the end for the Third Reich.

The Japanese mistake was the attack on Pearl Harbor and their inability to find the US Carriers. The entire West Coast of the US would have been wide open for invasion.

Patton · 12-02-2008, 09:25 PM

The Germans had a Navy?

Slipdigit · 12-02-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

Hitler declaring war on the US on December 8th 1941, the day the Allies won the war.

uh...Gott...um...that was Dec 11th, 1941. Dec 8th was when Roosevelt made his "live in infamy" speech.

Slipdigit · 12-02-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by P51fan

The Japanese mistake was the attack on Pearl Harbor and their inability to find the US Carriers. The entire West Coast of the US would have been wide open for invasion.

I don't really see a way that the Japanese could have sustained an army on the West Coast of the US with the dearth of shipping they had. Getting enough men all the way across the Pacific, then supplying them would have been problematic at best, especially with both and hands and feet stuck in the tar-baby of China.

Apologies for getting off subject.

Owen · 12-02-2008, 10:52 PM

Biggest mistake of WW2 was screwing the Germans so hard after WW1 with the Treaty Of Versailles.

Gotthard Heinrici · 13-02-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipdigit

uh...Gott...um...that was Dec 11th, 1941. Dec 8th was when Roosevelt made his "live in infamy" speech.

D'oh!!! Apologies for the mistake lads!! Thanks for pointing that out Geoff!

freebird · 13-02-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotthard Heinrici

Hitler declaring war on the US on December 8th 1941, the day the Allies won the war.

Gotthard are you saying that the Axis had NO chance to win the war after Pearl harbour? I've heard lots of Americans say this, it may be bravado, but I think if the Axis had a solid plan they could have won, even against US industrial might. {I realize I'm kinda throwing down the gauntlet here, I'll have to start a new thread on this...

} But strategy is my passion so it might be interesting...

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Originally Posted by P51fan

Germans failure to finish the British at Dunkirk. Hitler had a chance to force the British to sue for peace had they not allowed the Brits to escape. Why Hitler held back the Panzers is still a mystery.
The second part was "Operation Barbarossa" the day the Germans invaded the Soviet Union was really the beginning of the end for the Third Reich.

It's not a mystery, P-51, the Panzers had taken some heavy casualties due to British anti-tank {remember these are light Pz I's & Pz II's in battle, not the 1943 Tigers} The Panzer thrust to the south of the BEF was very short on infantry, because there were only a couple of SS motorized divisions with the Panzers. The terrain around dunkirk is very poor for tanks, being rather wet & with many canals. The Germans continued to push against the British from the north, where the bulk of the army was. At this time Hitler still expected the remainder of the French army to put up a stiff fight, he needed the Panzers intact for the forthcoming battle, not heavily damaged. The germans also did not think that it was an urgent matter, as at the time neither the German OKW or the Royal Navy thought that the British could evacuate more that about 50,000 of the 350,000 men trapped. When the total rescued was over 330,000 it was a big surprise to both sides.

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The Japanese mistake was the attack on Pearl Harbor and their inability to find the US Carriers. The entire West Coast of the US would have been wide open for invasion.

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Originally Posted by BulgarianSoldier

Well Hitler made many mistakes because of his desire for attacks and offencive.He made a terrible mistake attacking the Russians they could be a great ally Stalin didnt hate Hitler befor the war.The other mistake that Hitler make is that he take control of the U-boats.

Hitler really had no choice. If he hadn't attacked in 1941 Stalin planned to double-cross & attack Germany in 1942. Stalin & Hitler both realized there could only be 1 "master of Europe", it was inevitable that there would be war between them.

Slipdigit · 13-02-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Gotthard are you saying that the Axis had NO chance to win the war after Pearl harbour? I've heard lots of Americans say this, it may be bravado, but I think if the Axis had a solid plan they could have won, even against US industrial might. {I realize I'm kinda throwing down the gauntlet here, I'll have to start a new thread on this...

} But strategy is my passion so it might be interesting...

No, please, not a what-if thread here....please....I'll save you the trouble and mention two words....Atom Bomb.

27-10-2007, 06:11 PM	#242 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,700	Hitler declaring war on the US on December 8th 1941, the day the Allies won the war. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

30-01-2008, 12:10 AM	#243 (permalink)
P51fan Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ranger, TX Posts: 23	Germans failure to finish the British at Dunkirk. Hitler had a chance to force the British to sue for peace had they not allowed the Brits to escape. Why Hitler held back the Panzers is still a mystery. The second part was "Operation Barbarossa" the day the Germans invaded the Soviet Union was really the beginning of the end for the Third Reich. The Japanese mistake was the attack on Pearl Harbor and their inability to find the US Carriers. The entire West Coast of the US would have been wide open for invasion. Last edited by P51fan; 30-01-2008 at 12:12 AM. Reason: spelling error

12-02-2008, 09:25 PM	#244 (permalink)
Patton Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31	The Germans had a Navy? __________________ And from my rotting corpes flowers shall grow, and I am in them. That is eternity.

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