Biggest Mistake of WWII

[BeppoSapone]

Originally posted by the_historian@Nov 9 2004, 06:30 AM

Because thankfully they all rejoined the real world in enough time to realise their own stupidity/naivety.
Any chance you might now stop throwing tantrums long enough to get back on topic?

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I never took this off topic. My original point was that America did not ratify a treaty that would have avoided WW2. I stand by what I said.

Far from "throwing tantrums" I think that I have been reasonable, no matter how much you have re-defined your position and applied blanket terms and wild statements.

Maybe the "stupid/naive" people in 1939 should have attended your lectures? Wonderful thing hindsight.

[Kiwiwriter]

Well, the big failure of the US to ratify the Treaty of Versailles meant that the League of Nations lacked the backing of the only nation in the world in 1919 that had complete moral power and the strongest economy. The US had set itself up via Wilson as being the definitive "distinterested judge" of world affairs, the spokesman for democracy, and then it abdicated that position almost immediately. So the League lacked the moral, economic, and ultimately military power to do what it was supposed to do: prevent future conflicts.

[sapper]

It s nice really! for I am (At 80) in the happy position of having lived through those times and recall exactly what happened.

After Dunkirk this Nation was open to invasion, it would not have taken many troops to complete the job for we had NOTHING!

after some reorganisation, my old Div. The Third British Infantry was rearmed with what they could gather together. At that time they were the only divisioin capable of any kind of defence. That my friends! is all that we had. Nothing else at all, Nothing.....
His greatest mistake was in not taking a wide open for invasion Britian, then he would have had our industrial capacity, and 50 odd million slaves, that could have, and would have, been worked to death for the good of the Fatherland.
Sapper

[BeppoSapone]

Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Nov 9 2004, 09:50 AM
Well, the big failure of the US to ratify the Treaty of Versailles meant that the League of Nations lacked the backing of the only nation in the world in 1919 that had complete moral power and the strongest economy. The US had set itself up via Wilson as being the definitive "distinterested judge" of world affairs, the spokesman for democracy, and then it abdicated that position almost immediately. So the League lacked the moral, economic, and ultimately military power to do what it was supposed to do: prevent future conflicts.

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Thats all I was saying. With Congress "rubber stamping" Wilson's ideas - world peace. Without it - WW2.

[the_historian]

What a surprise-so you ARE blaming America for the war, despite denying it!
The title of the thread is "The Biggest Mistake of WW2". Can't see any reference to 1919 there, or to the League of Nations. Get back on topic.

[BeppoSapone]

Originally posted by the_historian@Nov 9 2004, 12:05 PM
What a surprise-so you ARE blaming America for the war, despite denying it!
The title of the thread is "The Biggest Mistake of WW2". Can't see any reference to 1919 there, or to the League of Nations. Get back on topic.

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Have you been drinking? Read the whole thread!

[Gnomey]

Bepposapone please calm down. Beppo you are getting off topic this is about the Biggest Mistake of WW2 (although this may have been the Treaty of Versailles). You are going off topic, this is your last warning.

[BeppoSapone]

Originally posted by Gnomey@Nov 9 2004, 03:23 PM
Bepposapone please calm down. Beppo you are getting off topic this is about the Biggest Mistake of WW2 (although this may have been the Treaty of Versailles). You are going off topic, this is your last warning.

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Gnomey

Rightly or wrongly I mentioned the Treaty of Versaille on Jul 25 2004. The Historian (sic) revived it in November.

When he can't win a debate he then tells me to get back on topic?

I also resent his suggestion that I am anti-American because of something that happened, and it did happen, in 1919. In particular when I am working on researching an American relative killed in Viet Nam.

My last warning? If this is how you moderate you know what you can do with your forum!

[AthollHighlander]

Isolated mistakes all contribute to the bigger picture of how the war unravelled.

Take Italys invasion of Greece in 1940. Of no strategic value whatsoever, simply Mussolini flexing his muscles. Yet this act of folly resulted in Hitler having to commit men and resources under the Pact of Steel when the Italians were forced into retreat.

Subsequently a full scale invasion of the Balkans was undertaken by the Axis Powers prior to the invasion of Russia.

Although unfavourable weather conditions delayed the invasion of Russia anyway it could still be considered a mistake in that this stretched their resources further than they may otherwise have considered prior to such a massive commitment in the East.

Atholl

[morse1001]

Originally posted by the_historian@Nov 8 2004, 11:59 PM
And why not?! :P

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I think he had enough problems with his "multiple personality syndrome" to start WW2! :P