Biggest Mistake of WWII - Page 27

4th wilts · 17-03-2008, 03:57 PM

stalingrads capture could imho happened.should have been bounced,the volga that is.the germans would have been in complete control of the whole southern ussr.lee.

nickb · 11-04-2008, 07:33 PM

I agree with many on this that the biggest mistake of the war would have to be Hitlers invasion of Russia. But to put the cat amongs the pigeons if i am correct the biggest mistake could be that the western allies did not go for Russia straight away. Was it not Churchill that wanted this? I am sure i read this. that act would have saved the world 40 years of the Cold war. As a child of the "if they press the button you have 4 minutes to live " era, i think that mistake may come somewhere in a league table.

von Poop · 11-04-2008, 07:52 PM

No mistake at all to my mind, if such an insane & illegal 'Pattonesque' proposition had been followed then god knows how much longer the fighting could have continued, or the eventual outcome.
Besides that, try motivating populations that had endured the loss of life, both public, and to people they knew, economic collapse, social privations, camp revelations, nuclear weapons etc. etc. of up to 6 years of war to join an attack on a recent ally and continue the joys of warfare. It'd be beyond Political and ethical suicide.

The cold war was a mess, perhaps an inevitable one, but as in all Politics, something of the 'least worst compromise'.

I hope that doesn't read too harsh a reply

. I have something of a Pavlovian response to the old "Now we start on the Russians".
Your cat made my pigeons flutter

.

Cheers,
Adam.

nickb · 11-04-2008, 08:03 PM

Not too harsh a reply at all Adam. I should may be have added to the line "i think that mistake may come somewhere in a league table" with hindsight by many of the more modern western allies goverments.
But it has been the suffering of those 6 long years and the FEAR of what was to come that has kept the world in relative calm.

von Poop · 11-04-2008, 08:13 PM

It's funny, the more I think of the cold war it's almost something of a golden age compared to the uncertainties that seem to be building up now it's gone.
A potential for horror, but a reasonably well balanced avoidance of it.

T-34 · 08-07-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by von Poop

... I think of the cold war it's almost something of a golden age compared to the uncertainties that seem to be building up now it's gone...

hmmm...
you say: ''uncertainties''...
i, for one - since the day the Cold War was over, have been thinking of Russia and the West as of partners; so, what else ''uncertainties'' ?...

von Poop · 08-07-2008, 07:34 PM

Nice to see you around T34.

War in the Middle East.
Building kindling for war in various states no longer clearly aligned to (or even 'controlled by') one side or the other.
Mercurial 'terrorist' organisations.
Growing conflict along religious lines.
Etc. etc.

Nothing in that comment specifically aimed at the former 'Sov-Block' mate, more a general feeling that things are somewhat up in the air regarding world relationships, much as yet unsettled in what feels, to me at least, a period of great flux, with no obvious timescale indicating it's end.
An observation that even though the cold war was a mess, it at least became a largely balanced, and to a great extent self-regulating, mess in contrast to the myriad of possibilities to be found the current climate.

Cheers,
Adam.

T-34 · 08-07-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by von Poop

Nice to see you around T34.

thanks; good to see you too.

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Originally Posted by von Poop

War in the Middle East. Building kindling for war in various states no longer clearly aligned to (or even 'controlled by') one side or the other. Mercurial 'terrorist' organisations. Growing conflict along religious lines...

but the Power Elites and TransNational Corporations will sort it all out, won't they ?...| at least, they control the world - not to just let it slide into the mess like WW1/WW2; right ?...

von Poop · 08-07-2008, 08:25 PM

Fingers crossed...

Gage · 08-07-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by von Poop

War in the Middle East.

Iran is a likely area for trouble over the next few years, what with nuclear
weapons (or power stations!?) and the fact they are helping insurgents with training and weapons to attack coalition forces in Iraq.
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Iran leader plays down war talk

17-03-2008, 03:57 PM	#261 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,039	stalingrads capture could imho happened.should have been bounced,the volga that is.the germans would have been in complete control of the whole southern ussr.lee. Last edited by 4th wilts; 17-03-2008 at 03:59 PM.

11-04-2008, 07:52 PM	#263 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,093	No mistake at all to my mind, if such an insane & illegal 'Pattonesque' proposition had been followed then god knows how much longer the fighting could have continued, or the eventual outcome. Besides that, try motivating populations that had endured the loss of life, both public, and to people they knew, economic collapse, social privations, camp revelations, nuclear weapons etc. etc. of up to 6 years of war to join an attack on a recent ally and continue the joys of warfare. It'd be beyond Political and ethical suicide. The cold war was a mess, perhaps an inevitable one, but as in all Politics, something of the 'least worst compromise'. I hope that doesn't read too harsh a reply . I have something of a Pavlovian response to the old "Now we start on the Russians". Your cat made my pigeons flutter . Cheers, Adam. __________________ It's only the Internet.

11-04-2008, 08:13 PM	#265 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,093	It's funny, the more I think of the cold war it's almost something of a golden age compared to the uncertainties that seem to be building up now it's gone. A potential for horror, but a reasonably well balanced avoidance of it. __________________ It's only the Internet.

08-07-2008, 07:34 PM	#267 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,093	Nice to see you around T34. War in the Middle East. Building kindling for war in various states no longer clearly aligned to (or even 'controlled by') one side or the other. Mercurial 'terrorist' organisations. Growing conflict along religious lines. Etc. etc. Nothing in that comment specifically aimed at the former 'Sov-Block' mate, more a general feeling that things are somewhat up in the air regarding world relationships, much as yet unsettled in what feels, to me at least, a period of great flux, with no obvious timescale indicating it's end. An observation that even though the cold war was a mess, it at least became a largely balanced, and to a great extent self-regulating, mess in contrast to the myriad of possibilities to be found the current climate. Cheers, Adam. __________________ It's only the Internet.

08-07-2008, 08:25 PM	#269 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,093	Fingers crossed... __________________ It's only the Internet.

11-04-2008, 07:33 PM	#262 (permalink)
nickb Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 25	I agree with many on this that the biggest mistake of the war would have to be Hitlers invasion of Russia. But to put the cat amongs the pigeons if i am correct the biggest mistake could be that the western allies did not go for Russia straight away. Was it not Churchill that wanted this? I am sure i read this. that act would have saved the world 40 years of the Cold war. As a child of the "if they press the button you have 4 minutes to live " era, i think that mistake may come somewhere in a league table.

11-04-2008, 08:03 PM	#264 (permalink)
nickb Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 25	Not too harsh a reply at all Adam. I should may be have added to the line "i think that mistake may come somewhere in a league table" with hindsight by many of the more modern western allies goverments. But it has been the suffering of those 6 long years and the FEAR of what was to come that has kept the world in relative calm.

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