Should Old Veterans Forgive Their Former Enemies?

[Tyrulf]

sapper ..the women and children of every bombed , destroyed city are in charge for the cruelties some insane of their folk do ? wonderful easy the world is ? isn't ? the bombings are absolutely legitim in your opinion

what atrocities did the people of dresden do ? did they build up Ausschwitz ?

to compare coventry with dresden is just a bad joke

maybe you should go one time in your life to dresden ..there were nothing left in this city absolutely nothing then wasteland within thousands of dust burned bodies who never had been counted.

So its legitim to murder and kill inncoent people if some of the other side did the same in your opinion?

archaic thoughts ....

[Tyrulf]

to say the "germans" really makes my stomach turn and shows how past driven somee britains really are .

the "jews" and the " russians" ... infantile

[Gage]

An eye for an eye is never the answer.
If you're personally involved, then can you forgive? It depends on that person.
There are no winners in total war. Civilians get caught up in the crossfire.
Can a person who has lost their family in a death camp forgive?
Can a person who lost their family in the firestorm in Hamburg forgive?
I don't know is the honest answer. I wasn't there...

[Tyrulf]

just my opinion ,gage

even if the nazis especially the leading nazis would have killed every human on earth - may you kill the unpolitical , innocent people who by bad luck live in the same region like the predators ? or who because they fear the repressive tyranny do nothing against these and follow them ? ?

I say no

[Gage]

There's nothing wrong in having an opinion, Tyrulf.
Hitler was evil, his henchmen were evil. The world is a far, far better place with him dead. It cost the world so many lives to get rid of him.
We can't undo that has been done. Let's hope that Hitler and Stalin's like are never seen again.

[Tyrulf]

there is no "the germans did" .

Otherwise there would not have been any need to hide concentration or euthanism camps .

The bombs did not select between nazis , murderer and innocent people

thats the problem we have to face

[Tyrulf]

exactly my opinion , gage

but I don't think despots like Hitler , Stalin are evil .They are rather extremely insane and have paranoias .

Hitler did not think " mwah im so evil I just killed 6 million Jews , what cab I do next evilous "
he even disliked the idea of killing jews , --the problem is that he thought he was right , that he was on the right way .
That to get rid of " jewish scum" is positivie for the world and that in a very darwinistic way that only the strongest is able to survive which means for him only the strongest nation and he thought aryans are these nation because they were so successfull to provide an example he admired the british and their empire.

A few hours before he comitted suicide he said that the aryans were the wrong choice for ruling the world . The future is in the hands of the "better " russian people which has proofed the german-russian war .

[Gage]

If you're flying at 15,000 ft and you drop your bombs, you don't know who is going to die. Bomb aiming wasn't that great, especially early in the war. And Britain, for a long time had no other way of hitting back.
But if you shoot someone in the back of the head in an execution then that's cold blooded murder.
There is no right answer. I can see both sides.

[Herroberst]

Tyrulf, War is a horrible awful event. That said it needs to be that way so that as nations we don't have them or less of them. The horrors of war should keep war from happening. Your German pride is refreshing and hommage to your family who served honorable, but don't be sidetracked by NSDAP. All Germans in the Second World War were Nazis with a small n. They all had to be a member of the Party. As historians we can look at someone like Rommel and say well he wasn't really a nazi like Eichmann, although great admirer and very loyal to Hitler. We can look at Eichmann, Himmler, Hitler, Goebbels, and others and there just is no way any sane person can say that they weren't Nazis with the big N.

Originally Posted by Tyrulf

Hitler did not think " mwah im so evil I just killed 6 million Jews , what cab I do next evilous "
he even disliked the idea of killing jews , --the problem is that he thought he was right , that he was on the right way .
That to get rid of " jewish scum" is positivie for the world and that in a very darwinistic way that only the strongest is able to survive which means for him only the strongest nation and he thought aryans are these nation because they were so successfull to provide an example he admired the british and their empire.

A few hours before he comitted suicide he said that the aryans were the wrong choice for ruling the world . The future is in the hands of the "better " russian people which has proofed the german-russian war .

Comments like this are just gibberish and you loose credibility.

Instead maybe talk about your family who served. Some of the Battles, the hardships endured at the front. Some Battle incidents that we haven't heard about. Stuff like that would certainly get my interest. Not what if opinions, rants about death tolls ect.

[Blackblue]

Good point. Arguing about who was hardest done by is pointless. Lets just remember who started the war in the first place. It certainly wasn't the men who were ordered to bomb Dresden, or the civlians who died there.

I would love to hear more about your grandfather and his war Tyrulf.

Rgds

Tim