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![]() ![]() | Bit hard to find a category to place Winston. He was involved in most of them. I have started off with a list of "Churchillisms" which always make me laugh and wish that I could have been right there when he spoke them. "A joke is a very serious thing." "Without victory there is no survival!" "Never give in. Never. Never. Never. Never." "Give us the tools and we will finish the job." "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." "No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism." "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat." "Short words are best and the old words when short are best of all." "I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." "Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed." "There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result." "It's a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations." "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes." "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." "Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." "The farther backwards you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see." "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which we will not put." "Don't talk to me about Naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash." "In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill." "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." "There is no finer investment for any community than putting milk into babies." "True genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous and conflicting information." "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." "It is a mistake to look too far ahead. Only one link in the chain of destiny can be handled at a time" "My wife and I tried to breakfast together, but we had to stop or our marriage would have been wrecked." "If you go on with this nuclear arms race, all you are going to do is make the rubble bounce." "I always avoid prophesying beforehand, because it is a much better policy to prophesy after the event has already taken place." "Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality that guarantees all the others." "If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future." "Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" "Where does the family start? It starts with a young man falling in love with a girl - no superior alternative has yet been found." "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." "I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." "MacDonald has the gift of compressing the largest amount of words into the smallest amount of thoughts." "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." "I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter." "The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong." "The reserve of modern assertions is sometimes pushed to extremes, in which the fear of being contradicted leads the writer to strip himself of almost all sense and meaning." "Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.' " "Vast and fearsome as the human scene has become, personal contact of the right people, in the right places, at the right time, may yet have a potent and valuable part to play in the cause of peace which is in our hearts." "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the 'worst' form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time." "I gather, young man, that you wish to be a Member of Parliament. The first lesson that you must learn is, when I call for statistics about the rate of infant mortality, what I want is proof that fewer babies died when I was Prime Minister than when anyone else was Prime Minister. That is a political statistic." ".... You ask, What is our policy? I will say; "It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy." You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory - victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival." "We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While campaigning in 1900, young Churchill was approached by a man who exclaimed to him: 'Vote for you? Why, I'd rather vote for the Devil!'. 'I understand' said Churchill. 'But in case your friend is not running, may I count on your support?' Several months after Chamberlain returned from Munich, waving his famous piece of paper, in 1938, during a debate on Palestine, Malcolm MacDonald, was speaking whimsically about the land itself: 'Bethlehem, where the prince of peace was born...' he intoned, only to be interrupted by Churchill's voice: '"Bethlehem"? I thought Neville was born in Birmingham.' Churchill on Clement Atlee: ' A sheep in sheep's clothing.' Churchill on US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles: 'Dull, Duller, Dulles.' Churchill on the code breakers of Bletchley Park: 'They were the geese that laid the golden eggs and never cackled.' An exchange of Telegrams between Churchill and George Bernard Shaw: Shaw: 'Two tickets reserved for you, first night Pygmalion. Bring a friend, if you have one. Churchill: 'Cannot make first night. Will come to second night. If you have one.' Churchill proposing a toast to the Soviet leader at the Yalta conference in 1945: 'To Premier Stalin, whose foreign policy manifests a desire for peace.' Then in a whispered aside out of the interpreter's hearing: 'A piece of Poland, a piece of Hungary, a piece of Romania...' Nancy Astor to Churchill during one of their many arguments "If I were your wife I would put poison in your coffee.' Churchill: Nancy, if you were my wife I would drink it.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When asked to name the chief qualification a politician should have. "It's the ability to foretell what will happen tomorrow, next month, and next year --- and to explain afterward why it didn't happen." All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor; duty; mercy; hope. If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes. I am prepared to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time--a tremendous whack. If you're going through hell, keep going. A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. For myself, I am an optimist--it does not seem to be much use being anything else. When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones. I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught. It is always wise to look ahead, but difficult to look farther than you can see. Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened. He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival. I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma The water was not fit to drink. To make it palatable, we had to add whiskey. By diligent effort, I learned to like it. When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. When I look back on all these worries, I remember the story of the old man who said on his deathbed that he had had a lot of trouble in his life, most of which had never happened. Kites rise highest against the wind -- not with it. Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others. If you have knowledge, let others light their candles with it.
__________________ Spidge, ![]() ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm |
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![]() | I love Churchill. He had a lot of weaknesses and blind spots, and came up with some bizarre ideas (invading the Dodecanese for one), but I agree with the man who said that he "mobilized the English language and sent it into battle." No other leader in 1940 could have rallied Britain to fight on to victory like he could. Anyone else in power would have signed a peace treaty with Hitler, and the world would today be under Nazi rule.
__________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com |
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__________________ ![]() "Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few" Sir Winston Chuchill, Summer 1940 "To him the people of Britain and the free world owe largely the way of life they enjoy today" Ensciption on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-1940) Statue in London Aircraft of World War 2 Forum - A Warbird Forum | |
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![]() | Probably fair to say that I detest Churchill, but on account of his politics in general, not WWII specifically. I do think that his role in 1940/41 in ensuring that the pro-peace settlement wing of the Tories were kept from power, assisted by the wartime coalition government, was crucial.
__________________ Angie "History is lived forward but it is written in retrospect. We know the end before we consider the beginning and we can never wholly recapture what it was like to know the beginning only." C V Wedgewood |
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![]() | In 1940 Churchill was the right man in the right place at the right time. But as someone said on a similar thread on the Great War Forum, other than that he screwed up every job he was ever given. Like Hitler, he had a lot of bizarre ideas which could have lost us the war. The difference was that anyone who stood up to Hitler would find this was very bad for their career and probably for their health. Whereas Churchill had staff who were able to stand up to him: Alanbrooke in particular was prepared to have table-thumping rows with him to make him see sense. I'm trying not to fall into the English habit of knocking all our heroes, but it is possible to be objective. Adrian
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![]() | Churchill always seem walk to the beat of his own drum. If you want to piss people off, that's the best way to do it. I remember reading about where he was visiting an Arabian or African country where they didn't allow drinking. He told the emir (or leader) that it was his against religion not to "have a cigar and drink every day". To this the emir had to acquiesce. Anyone that bore the weight on his shoulders that Churchill did, should be allowed if not expected to imbibe a little. Churchill always behaved honorably abroad. If he was hated by countrymen and the House of Commons by his political enemies, I am sure they were more than deserving of the consternation he caused them, especially when you hear the rhetoric they so often slung at him. Any leader that appears in harms way as often as Churchill did (much to the dismay of those responsible for his safety like Monty and Ike) just to inspire those he sent into battle, that man is worthy of respect. There appears to be no guile or falseness in him, what he said was what he thought. At least that is the impression he gives me. |
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