Terminology: Jumping Off

Angie,

Exactly what is meant by "jumping off"? I have heard the term used a lot and assume it means detaching. Is this correct or is it something more specific?

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(jimbotosome @ Dec 3 2005, 04:35 PM) [post=42523]Angie,

Exactly what is meant by "jumping off"? I have heard the term used a lot and assume it means detaching. Is this correct or is it something more specific?
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Hi Jimbo,

Not sure of the reference you are making however it usually means a safe point of departure to attack another area.

Reading the first few paragraphs of the attached will give you an dea in military planning for the Solomons campaign.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-...dalcanal-A.html

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i agree with Spide. If you want us to comment in more detail, you probably need to post an example.

(spidge @ Dec 3 2005, 01:19 AM) [post=42524]

Hi Jimbo,

Not sure of the reference you are making however it usually means a safe point of departure to attack another area.

Reading the first few paragraphs of the attached will give you an dea in military planning for the Solomons campaign.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-...dalcanal-A.html
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Well the details at the link didn't do much for me. What I am referring to is where an attack is being made and they get to an area where they say "This was a good jumping off point for 1st armor" or something like that. I read it a lot and know it is a tactical term but I really am not sure what it means. What differentiates it from any other "point"?

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(jimbotosome @ Dec 4 2005, 10:37 AM) [post=42580]

Well the details at the link didn't do much for me. What I am referring to is where an attack is being made and they get to an area where they say "This was a good jumping off point for 1st armor" or something like that. I read it a lot and know it is a tactical term but I really am not sure what it means. What differentiates it from any other "point"?
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Maybe you want it to mean more. "Jumping off" is a place to begin or a secondary line or secured place to continue the "offensive" from.

It is also used in todays sales markets where you have successfully completed distribution strategies in one area and look toward further expansion in aligned markets.

The first major battle by the US of 1943 to retake the Japanese occupied islands of the Pacific commenced at Tarawa in November. This then became the first in the "jumping off" points for the eventual assaults on the Japanese home islands.

Ok Geoff, I'll take your definition of it. It does seem to fit the application of where I have seen it used.

By the way, I watched a special on the History Channel on Tarawa. Man, that was an unreal battle. It was another Guadalcanal. Talk about battles. The war in the Pacific has to have the most intense battles. You start watching one of these specials on those battles and sit there dumbfounded shaking your head. Man its hard to fight an enemy that will live in virtually any condition and more willing to die fighting than to surrender. The war in Europe seems so glamourous and civilized compared to the war in the Pacific.

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(jimbotosome @ Dec 4 2005, 02:29 PM) [post=42592]Ok Geoff, I'll take your definition of it. It does seem to fit the application of where I have seen it used.

By the way, I watched a special on the History Channel on Tarawa. Man, that was an unreal battle. It was another Guadalcanal. Talk about battles. The war in the Pacific has to have the most intense battles. You start watching one of these specials on those battles and sit there dumbfounded shaking your head. Man its hard to fight an enemy that will live in virtually any condition and more willing to die fighting than to surrender. The war in Europe seems so glamourous and civilized compared to the war in the Pacific.
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Hi Jim,

Was that the one that went on to show Iwo Jima and Saipan?

All the Coconut Palms have been re vegitated however after seeing the obliterations that occurred there you would wonder if it could have ever recovered.

(spidge @ Dec 3 2005, 10:47 PM) [post=42594]Was that the one that went on to show Iwo Jima and Saipan?

All the Coconut Palms have been re vegitated however after seeing the obliterations that occurred there you would wonder if it could have ever recovered.
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The one I saw was prefaced with the "Lost Evidence". It was the one where they recently ran across all the intelligence photos and even footage of the battle on the ground. It showed the US Navy and the Japanese Navy battling to support it. They interviewed one of the guys on the USS San Fransisco which got caught between two Japanese cruisers to where it could not tell who was who. They put a round through the depth charge stores of one of the cruisers. Of the 4900 soldiers and construction workers, only 140 were still alive.

Admiral Shibasaki said "a mission of men could not take it in a 100 years". The Marines took it in three days.

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(jimbotosome @ Dec 4 2005, 05:07 PM) [post=42596]

The one I saw was prefaced with the "Lost Evidence". It was the one where they recently ran across all the intelligence photos and even footage of the battle on the ground. It showed the US Navy and the Japanese Navy battling to support it. They interviewed one of the guys on the USS San Fransisco which got caught between two Japanese cruisers to where it could not tell who was who. They put a round through the depth charge stores of one of the cruisers. Of the 4900 soldiers and construction workers, only 140 were still alive.

Admiral Shibasaki said "a mission of men could not take it in a 100 years". The Marines took it in three days.
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Hi Jim,

Sadly the troops were under the impression it was going to be a cakewalk. Red Beach was their lesson in blood and set the standard for further island invasions.

The video/Doc I have melds the Japanese footage narrated by a survivor (one of the few) and a very young American who narrated all of their footage.

There were alot of errors made on the American side. Planes were late, tides were read incorrectly, bad intelligence on the position of the reef's and due to that I believe a bad choice of landing craft.

As it was thought a "walk in" take over "exercise" troops were landed in one of the best positions for landing yet the worst position to be trapped in a text book crossfire.

I think you are right Geoff. They pummeled the island with naval fire of the large armada and believed nothing could still be alive on the island. That's some pretty crappy intel.