if it were not for the jews there would be no ww2

Originally Posted by ourbill

Anyway I have read somewhere Hitler dislike the Jews because he caught clap from a Jewish French whore! Tut Tut syphillis and it wasn't treated properly? Could have been a rumour put about by Churchill, nuf said.

"Hitler has only got one ball..."

Oh come on, it had to be said by someone. And it may as well be me!
Kitty.

[ourbill]

I hate to go off topic again.....but, that reminds me.... a work mate of mine many years ago told me about the foreman who went about with a sour look all the time. 'It was his injury he received on D-day' my mate said. I thought he was is great pain all the time. 'He got ashore OK but was shot in the balls' 'That must have hurt' I said. 'The thing that he is most upset about is he didn't get a pension for his wounds, they said he could function as well with only one ball!'

If you read Mein Kampf, (for what it is worth), he describes his hate origin.

He claims his hate comes from his stay in Vienna. He said he never hated Jews before moving to Austria. Whether that’s true or not one can only speculate.

Hitler was a German purist. He believed in German purity and virtue (which strangely enough did not include problems with killing women and children, torture and enslavement). Since Austria was a part of the first Reich under Kiser Barbarrosa, the first German "Caesar” head of the first German Reich, who also was coronated at Nuremberg (circa 1300s?), he believed Austria it to be of pure Teutonic origin. That Germanic/Teutonic Knight history had a strong romance to him and he believed it perpetuated and extended to his current day. After losing WWI of which he fought for such idealistic reasons, he was disillusioned and looking for answers to what has happened to the great Germanic empire.

While in Vienna, he saw some things that he believed were perverse and where against the governmental order. He was astonished by it and went and gathered all the pamphlets he could of the groups that were perverting the "pure" German society and hinting at insurrectional to the Germanic government style that Austria had at the time. He went on a search to find out who was behind it and he claimed that all the names on the materials he gathered were Jewish names. So he got this idea that they were perverting the "pure" German empire.

I don't know if you can believe his writings if they were the real reasons or just some rhetoric on a hate that was actually rooted somewhere else. It certainly is consistent with his behavior for what that is worth.

Personally I don't believe the story about the whore. I don't think that fits his MO. I don't think he was gay but I didn't get the idea that he was intimate with Eva Braun either. He seems to me to be more asexual than anything else. I do buy that he was a purist to the extreme. He may have very well believed what he wrote.

I don't think true hate is idealism in and of itself. Hate is just a symptom of idealism being taken to extremes. It is seemingly always motivated by fear. Racism, in general, stems from the fear of someone (not just anti-Semitism) that threaten ones idealistic values, be it lifestyle or otherwise. And hate is inspired by your desire to combat your fears, “if I just get rid of these guys all my fears will go away”. In this I believe that he really believed that the Jews threatened to ruin this pure Teutonic existence dating back to the first century (maybe about the time of the Crusades possibly?).

I think that’s where he lit the fuse. In Landsberg this belief festered and was nurtured by the outsiders in the Nazi party and he was convinced (both by himself and others) that he was to be a successor in this noble line and proceeded to gain absolute power of Germany and write himself into history. With this accomplished, what do you think he would view as the biggest threat to his idealistic existence, and do you remember what I said people think of their greatest fears? We all know Lord Ancton’s quip about absolute power, but if you start out corrupt (idealistic) you have already “greased the skids”. He had his crazy buddy Himmler take care of the fear for him. You know, I always saw Himmler, as a bit of a coward. He seems like the kind of guy you wouldn’t mind beating the living dog crap out of. He just looks like a weasel to me. But, I digress.

Do I think that was his hang-up. You can say he is crazy but then again, what is crazy? By that you don’t mean rubber room crazy babbling like a look, you really mean an extreme idealist. I don’t think he is really that rare. It seems to me like intelligent idealists rise all the time especially in economically backward conditions like Germany was in the time Hitler rose. This is why I hate socialism so bad because it removes the strength from people to prevent idealists from rising and exploiting power.

But, as far as idealism goes, you see it everywhere. You see it in the KKK, you see it in gangs, you see it in Muslims, you saw it heavy in Christianity in the dark ages, and there are even histories of Jews who were extremist too. I don’t think one specific group or person or party has a unique claim on it. Right now there are places in the world if an American (and any westerner as well) where they would be in grave danger by idealists. I don’t excuse any of them. I do recognize it is a tendency of human beings to have an odd one or two that gets off on some social tangent and never comes back. I don’t believe you chase things. You deal with causes not symptoms. And I think this is the failing in human history to prevent the rise of extremists.

Originally Posted by ourbill

I hate to go off topic again.....but, that reminds me.... a work mate of mine many years ago told me about the foreman who went about with a sour look all the time. 'It was his injury he received on D-day' my mate said. I thought he was is great pain all the time. 'He got ashore OK but was shot in the balls' 'That must have hurt' I said. 'The thing that he is most upset about is he didn't get a pension for his wounds, they said he could function as well with only one ball!'

Well, if the apparatus still works, that's all the better. That's one less to get kicked in.

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by montgomery

some people say if it was not for the jews there might not have been a second world war the only thing i find unusal is why did hitler hate the jews i think because they were rich and strange.

wow, interesting post. Jews had nothing to do with the start of the war.
Hitler hated the jews because they weren't descendents of the Aryans (Nordics).

Shall we just decide Hitler was a loony of the first class?

[Kiwiwriter]

Originally Posted by morse1001

I read a version which says it was a whore in Vienna.

Common myth. Apparently he had normal testicles and did not suffer from any venereal diseases. He was a hypochondriac, worried constantly about his potency and his voice, and the July 20, 1944, bomb blast damaged his nervous system and eardrums. He seems to have been suffering from Parkinson's in the last days of his life.

[morse1001]

Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter

Common myth. Apparently he had normal testicles and did not suffer from any venereal diseases. He was a hypochondriac, worried constantly about his potency and his voice, and the July 20, 1944, bomb blast damaged his nervous system and eardrums. He seems to have been suffering from Parkinson's in the last days of his life.

I hate to be serious but i said that i had read about it, it does not mean that i actually believe it.

The book that i am reading at the moment, its proped up against by Diddybox so that I can read bits whilst I am on the PC, goes into his known medical and mental health in detail.

Also, veneral diseases in those days were untreatable and so the effects would have been clearly seen on Hilter had he been infected.

[morse1001]

Originally Posted by mosquito617

Shall we just decide Hitler was a loony of the first class?

That was a rumour started by the Allies, Hitler in fact displayed normal behaviour at most times.

Originally Posted by morse1001

That was a rumour started by the Allies, Hitler in fact displayed normal behaviour at most times.

Morse, my cute little uniformed vampire, what sane person would invade several countries, try to wipe out an entire population merely because he didn't like them, and prance around in a ridiculous uniform spouting about the Master race being blonde hair blue eyed when he was short, dumpy, brown hair and brown eyed? Sounds perfectly sane to me.
Of course, solely my opinion and not the opinion of most people.
Don't suppose you have a leather duster coat lying around?
Kitty