Hitlerite obsession

[von Poop]

Originally Posted by Owen D

Try and find a good History of a less well known British unit, bit of a struggle.
Look for a history of The 45th SS Ukrainian Toilet Cleaning Kompanie in the Summer of 1943 at about 2.30 in the afternoon oh yes loads of stuff.

good point.
In a similar vein. I'm a spod. I sometimes make Plastic kits while escaping the sprogs, If you want a British vehicle the choice is limited, If you want the Most obscure bit of German kit, even if only 5 were ever deployed then you'll probably find it from several different manufacturers. it's all quite odd really.
(And Kiwiwriter? you should have been on the program. )
It's all very strange.
And yes, though I didn't say it first off, I think I probably am Obsessed with the Man, how many other world leaders do I have 2 books on specifically dedicated to their death???
errrr.
None.

[lancesergeant]

Hitler attended Anton Drexler's meetings who preached anti - Jewish/ semitism. Can anyone shed on any light on why the Jews were blamed for Germany's ills. Was there a genuine belief / foundation for this or were the Jews a convenient scapegoat, at the time treated like a social underclass. I am curious as to the core reason for their doctrine- was there any basis in fact. A grain of fact to base it on. What started it all off. Had it been a social undercurrent of thought for some time or any reason better than none. It would be interesting to know what was the cause.

[Warulfsdottyr]

well the jewish were always blamed for ills - everywhere..

to provide an example , the famous french jewish officer Dreyfuß were send to the french concentration camps in french guyana , after he had stolen a bread for his family after wwI.

even Luther was anti-semitic especially at the end of his life ,- I think this was one of the main reason why protestants were much more nazi-obsessed than katholics.

I would say that germany was as anti-semitic as most other state before hitler came .
The new-anti semitism developed at the end of the 19th century cause of some individuals all over europe but many of them in austria - like this priest.

fact was that jews were very intellectual and more busy which made them quite rich and so many people - especially during the economy crisis in the weimarer republik were envious which at least was one of the main reasons of the strong anti-semitism.

before the economy crisis anti-semitism wasnt that strong - the greatest backer of Wilhelm II was Alber Balin , a german-jew.And during WWI 170 000
german jews fought on the german side.

Originally Posted by Owen D

I think we have forgotten he was a human being the same as us.
He has become something more.
We have put on him all that is evil and wrong with us humans. A symbol of living evil. Almost as if he was the living embodiment of the Devil.
For that reason we will be obsessed with him.
Good? mmmm depends on what a particular individual uses that knowledge of Hitler and the Nazis for.

Hi Owen.
I think the reason so many people are fascinated by Hitler is because he was completely human. Here was a man in a position of extreme power who had had all of his safety switches knocked off. He had no limits. He would do anything if he thought it would further both Germany and Nazism.
Hitler was the embodiment of what humanity is capable of at its darkest. And his very presence brought out what humanity can do in retaliation to stop his actions. It's a double edged sword.

[plant-pilot]

Originally Posted by mosquito617

Hi Owen.
I think the reason so many people are fascinated by Hitler is because he was completely human. Here was a man in a position of extreme power who had had all of his safety switches knocked off. He had no limits. He would do anything if he thought it would further both Germany and Nazism.
Hitler was the embodiment of what humanity is capable of at its darkest. And his very presence brought out what humanity can do in retaliation to stop his actions. It's a double edged sword.

Okay, Hitler was a power crazed dictator. But much of the blame has to put firmly on the political system that allowed one person, or one party to bypass all the safety systems and unilaterally form a dictatorship.

Those systems are strongest in the German political system by having a Chancellor and a president that cannot be from the same party and are independent of each other. The UK and US have a two house system. These are the safeguards that are needed to ensure one person doesn't get too powerful.

[Warulfsdottyr]

germany has a bundestag and a bundesrat ... I think this might be the same as the cambers.

america is much more dangerous.. the american president can get much too powerful because they are voted directly

[von Poop]

Originally Posted by mosquito617

Here was a man in a position of extreme power who had had all of his safety switches knocked off. He had no limits.

except eating meat. (never trust a veggie I say).
I think the 'Downfall' (or Untergang??) film was successful because it portrayed a Human being. Hitler has become such an (I hesitate to say) 'Iconic' figure that it's very hard to imagine him going to the toilet (go on, imagine it..). The 'home movies' just add to the fascination by increasing the contradiction.

[Reverend Bob]

On the subject of being human, I understand Schicklgruber had a problem with uncontrolable flatulence. Now that had to hard to keep a straight face,
one smirk and it's off to the Russian front!

[Kiwiwriter]

Originally Posted by lancesergeant

Hitler attended Anton Drexler's meetings who preached anti - Jewish/ semitism. Can anyone shed on any light on why the Jews were blamed for Germany's ills. Was there a genuine belief / foundation for this or were the Jews a convenient scapegoat, at the time treated like a social underclass. I am curious as to the core reason for their doctrine- was there any basis in fact. A grain of fact to base it on. What started it all off. Had it been a social undercurrent of thought for some time or any reason better than none. It would be interesting to know what was the cause.

Anti-Semitism is often called "the oldest hatred," and the origins are very deep in Western tradition. They probably date back to the Crucifixion.

In modern terms, a lot of anti-Semitism is the result of medieval European laws that barred usury between Christians. Since Christians could not lend money, Jews carved out this profession as a niche, and were able to prosper at it. However, nobody likes pawnbrokers or moneylenders, and thus began the image of the covetous, grasping, money-obsessed Jew, which in turn became the stereotype of the conspiratorial Jewish banker.

Very sad stuff. There are a number of good books on this subject. "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans discusses the German anti-Semitic background in detail. It pre-dated Hitler. It pre-dated the Kaisers.

[BarbaraHistory]

Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter

Very sad stuff. There are a number of good books on this subject. "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans discusses the German anti-Semitic background in detail. It pre-dated Hitler. It pre-dated the Kaisers.

anti-semitism existed in every country having jews..

it predated in every country because of the things you mentioned above and anothe reason because some clerics blamed the jews for killing jesus christ.

to say that germany is the origin or the main place before hitler is just not true

there were and are anti-jewish tendencies in every country I think

but hitler put the anti-semitism into a new dimension of course.

by warulfsdottyr