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[jimmy_jack_james]

(spidge @ Jan 10 2006, 03:48 PM) [post=44258]

Yes. He shot himself. Wish I could have been there.
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i wish i was there also. wasnt he shot in wwi? i think he was but not completely sure.

[Reverend Bob]

I Think he was gassed??


Cheers
Bob

[Simon Bull]

(sapper @ Mar 9 2005, 08:13 AM) [post=32031]Again. are you serious? From my recall, the German people turned out in their millions to greet their Hero (when he was winning)

They screamed their adulation of their "leader" trouble is, I can remember what it was like. The bomb? Oh yes, no doubt that it was real. Certainly......but it was only when catastrophic defeat was staring them starkly in the face, and all hope of some miracle had passed, that the bomb plot arose...If there had been a real resistance to Hitler? then why not the bomb plot when he was at the height of his powers? It just does not hold water, it was desperate attempt to salvage something from the ruins of utter defeat....It would not have worked. The German crimes were far to extensive for that little scheme.
Sapper
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Sapper - are you serious - what about (eg) the socialists and others who opposed Hitler and ended up in the early concentration camps? The people who hid Jews at conisderable risk to themselves etc.

Just because the majority of Germans supported Hitler does not mean that no-one opposed him.

[Kiwiwriter]

(clancelot @ Nov 2 2005, 11:40 AM) [post=40998]had hitler been shot at all during his rule over the germany
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There were more than 20 separate attempts on Hitler's life while he was Fuhrer, including the well-known Attentat of July 20, 1944. Another attempt placed a bomb in the podium of the Burgerbraukeller in Munich in 1939, when Hitler went there for the annual rally. It missed blasting him by 30 minutes.

[lancesergeant]

He was stationed near Bapaume,when got a severe leg wound from a shell blast. 7th of October 1916. He got some fragment embedded in his leg from the blast of a attempted assassination in 44. The big bullet wound that would have changed things was when he was in the sights of a Private Henry Tandey - I am not sure if he was in the Staffs or Duke of Wellington's. Hitler saw that he was in his sights and took it as a sign of destiny that he was meant for greater things. He even had a painting of it hanging in Berchtesgarden.

[lancesergeant]

There was opposition from the Communists and socialists and obviously the Jews, but as has been mentioned once the concentration camps were up and running from about 1933, these would have been driven underground. Such was the case that family member were informing on their own family members and relations. You also have a country fighting to get it's self respect from defeat in the war and rampant inflation, they probably looking on this creature as a messiah to lead them back to greatness. Of the assassination attempt in 44 - would the conspirators have been conspirators if the Germans had been winning the war?

In an environment where you couldn't even trust your family or neighbours, those that stood up to resist have got to have one's respect. Self preservation would fly in the face of thoughts of creating a resistance movement. Where would they get their arms. They would have been shot out of site. If it wasn't a sizeable tangible movement, it must have been in a lot of Germans minds, especially after the likes of Stalingrad. The potential resistance movement would have been mowed down. How would they have funded themselves or got weapons in effect sustained themselves. The brother and sister who didn't take up arms but were beheaded for speaking out. Bonhoffer a priest a cheese wire, Canaris tortured, his teeth smashed and left to a slow death by hanging.

[spidge]

(lancesergeant @ Feb 9 2006, 11:47 AM) [post=45442]There was opposition from the Communists and socialists and obviously the Jews, but as has been mentioned once the concentration camps were up and running from about 1933, these would have been driven underground. Such was the case that family member were informing on their own family members and relations. You also have a country fighting to get it's self respect from defeat in the war and rampant inflation, they probably looking on this creature as a messiah to lead them back to greatness. Of the assassination attempt in 44 - would the conspirators have been conspirators if the Germans had been winning the war?[/b]

Nazi Germany was running hot however when the worm turned it WAS too late. There were many people and organisations against the Nazi's rising to power however the majority were mesmerised with the promise of a 1,000 year Reich.

By the time they realised this was not going to be it was too late to "vote them out".

On the cross, Jesus prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

The majority did and they and others from most lands paid the supreme sacrifice to end it.

[sapper]

I have no doubt at all there was opposition to Hitler, and that all your postings have merit. But like many of my age, we recall the utter adulation. The frenzy of excitement at the mention of his name.

There is no doubt there were very few that opposed him, and those that did were qickly done away with. There is also no doubt at all, that he attained at his zenith, the adoration almost of a God. His name was mentioned with the same reverence.

That begs the question: Where would Germany have gone? had he used that power fpr peaceful purposes?
But that was never going to happen, only the militaristic tendencies of Germany (of that age) could have been responsible for this advance.

If I sound a bit offhand when discussing Hitler? I have obvious cause. He had the speaking ability to raise a crowd to fever pitch, though these days, it sounds exactly what it was, a tirade, and not a very good one at that. But for a Germany recovering from WW1 He appeared to be a saviour. A Teutonic Knight in shining armour. All that the German Nation pined for!

We can recall the huge parades. The banners, the torchlight gatherings, and best of all...an easy prey to vent their collective hatred on...The Jews.

No friends, there was not a lot of opposition to Hitler, and any there was, quickly vanished as the Victories in battle followed one after the other. For the Teutonic Militaristsm, here indeed, was a man of steel that no one could resist and he was GERMAN! During the time when his powers where at their peak..Was there any opposition? ......No friends, none at all.
Sapper

[lancesergeant]

Have to agree with what you say Sapper. There is also the German psyche: disciplined and rigid obedience after the Treaty of Versailles and the reparations with the loss of the Rhineland in the West( I think it was the Rhineland!). These reparations were viewed by a lot of people including outside of Germany as being harsh. Reparations more likely viewed as humiliation. I believe it was France that refused to compromise on the extent of the reparations. Wilson thought them too harsh. More revenge and rubbing one's nose in it than genuine reparations. Hitler comes on the scene and it snowballs. As Sapper says a saviour the teutonic knight - out of a Wagnerian opera.

How would one view Canaris. Some would view his behaviour keeping in touch with the British as treacherous. Would you view him as a sort of resistance, or do you think he did it because he wanted Hitler diposed. Can't see how that was going to happen though.

As was commented on before any resistance would have been crushed out of hand and in the later stages of the war, I think the populus would be more interested in finding food and the omenous awaited Russian army coming from the East. It wouldn't have probably roused interest as any talk of sedition or mention of it would lead to the SS or similar carting them off. The populus knew they were on a loser. Those who considered it and probably thought why bother, concentrate on surviving and hoping. .

Agree with Sapper with the power he had gained there was only going to be one conclusion. A megalomaniac, the humiliation of the loss to France and the reparations, the loss of land. His vision as carrying on the tradition of the Teutonic Knights. His persecution complex with the Jews. He gets a whole country behind him - and he runs wild. His own personal vendetta and paranoia having free run - even down to the officer corps who he hated because they looked down on him.

[Warulfsdottyr]

Originally Posted by sapper

I have no doubt at all there was opposition to Hitler, and that all your postings have merit. But like many of my age, we recall the utter adulation. The frenzy of excitement at the mention of his name.

There is no doubt there were very few that opposed him, and those that did were qickly done away with. There is also no doubt at all, that he attained at his zenith, the adoration almost of a God. His name was mentioned with the same reverence.

That begs the question: Where would Germany have gone? had he used that power fpr peaceful purposes?
But that was never going to happen, only the militaristic tendencies of Germany (of that age) could have been responsible for this advance.

If I sound a bit offhand when discussing Hitler? I have obvious cause. He had the speaking ability to raise a crowd to fever pitch, though these days, it sounds exactly what it was, a tirade, and not a very good one at that. But for a Germany recovering from WW1 He appeared to be a saviour. A Teutonic Knight in shining armour. All that the German Nation pined for!

We can recall the huge parades. The banners, the torchlight gatherings, and best of all...an easy prey to vent their collective hatred on...The Jews.

No friends, there was not a lot of opposition to Hitler, and any there was, quickly vanished as the Victories in battle followed one after the other. For the Teutonic Militaristsm, here indeed, was a man of steel that no one could resist and he was GERMAN! During the time when his powers where at their peak..Was there any opposition? ......No friends, none at all.
Sapper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_1933

the majority was 44% in 1933 .

And you may not forget that one of hitlers election pledges was to keep peace ! and it was not only the german nation who believed even chamberlain etc up to the year 1939 !.

another reason was that hitler - and this was the only positive of his career,promised jobs and he gave jobs.

Furthermore hitler in deed had a extreme personal allurement and even the british foreignminister made the heil hitler sign in 1938 because he was so excited because of the parades etc.

and we do not have to argue that the treaty of versailles was extremely unfair - france searched for vengeance since 1871 when it has lost the war with germany , a war france has started because of the emser depesche.To take away the rhineland , the heart of germany is like the french would have taken london , wessex and sussex after wwI - you know this would hurt ! not to forget the incredible reparation up to the year 1983 !

especially versailles wrote that the sole fault of wwI had to be overtaken by the germans.The austrian prince was shot by the an yugoslawien terrorist - from a panslavian terror organisation.the austrians told the yugoslawian state to hand out the terrorists and as this did not happen after a ultimation declared war to yugoslawian which led to the war declaration of france , britain etc. germany had an alliance with austria and so the war began.of course many generals and leaders wanted war but this was a phenomen in all europe.


so many people who voted for him were never "real" nazis including to hate jews , being national-socialistic and to be able to commit crimes.

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the teutonic militiarism as you say was not "teutonic" it was prussian and we ( the southgermans) suffered most because of this.
your so called german psyche of "rigid obedience" was common in all europe in those times - see bomber harris and the other pilots " we had to carry out our duty".the 68er freed us from these way of thinking.
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there were many people who opposed him especially christians , communists and even conservatives .
otherwise the gestapo would not have been needed !

furthermore you may not forget how harsh the nazi regime - kriegsdienstverweigerer - the ones who did not want to fight were shot , especially at the end of the war.

to show resistance and opposition was a death sentence . so many people resisted in their minds sadly not in reality but can you blame them for this ? in an atmosphere were your neighbour could whistle-blow you to the gestapo ?
I dont think so.

sapper , you say that everybody "hailed" to the führer - how are you able to look at every german hand ?
and , something you might not know is that not to " hail " was accusable and you know the gestapo...

many who hailed were no nazis .
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you say the militaristic tendencies of germany are responsible for this advance , this is true ,..

but ...have you ever looked on the british history ?

the last 500 years of british history WERE militaristic from the scottish wars over america up to india , africa , australia etc.