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Old 22-04-2006, 11:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It wa during an article on the BBC Radio 4 program Today on Friday the 21st 2006 that I heard that according to the historian Roger Moorhouse there were about 50 assasination attempts on the life of Hitler, almost all of which were by Germans, and not all of which were after the start of the war.

That doesn't actually sound like he had no opposition.

Also, having lived and worked in Germany for many years, and spoken to many fine old ladies and Gents, the views that seem to come across was a view that Hitler did bring a very down trodden 1920s Germany back to it's feet, he went too far with the war.

Now you could say that "they would say that wouldn't they" but I have met some that wouldn't have a bad word said agains Hitler, except that he shouldn't have lost the war. My feeling is that any opposition that he did have was keeping quiet while things were going good. Of course once your country is at war, it's not a very sensible thing in a dictatorship to start shouting opposition. There were a lot of 'bad pennies' but I feel most were carried along with the tide as many of the silent majority still do today..
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Old 22-04-2006, 12:01 PM   #22 (permalink)
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you should define what "while things were going good." and " silent majority still do today".
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Old 22-04-2006, 12:05 PM   #23 (permalink)
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you should define what "while things were going good." and " silent majority still do today".
"while things were going good." i.e. Employment up, inflation down and an end to the depression.

"silent majority still do today" i.e. The many people who time in time out can't be bothered to actually use their vote because they think it won't count, but still complain when things don't change.

Hope that makes things clearer.
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Old 22-04-2006, 12:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
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sadly many people were and some are still very unpolitical

"who does not vote , voted for the nazis " is an german proverb.
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Old 22-04-2006, 01:02 PM   #25 (permalink)
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germany was always a country of knowlegde , science and culture.

The more its astonishing how a country of Goethes,Schillers ,Mozarts , Beethoven,Nobels , Manns and Einsteins was able to be overwhelmed by a anti-intellectual proletarian regime.

it sadly were the unpolitical and illiterated persons who voted for hitler .
Hitler himself was low-educated , he was a person of the folk ..thats why many people loved him so much , people who distrust the politicians of the weimarer republik .

its sad that such a folk was( and by some is) called " hun" .
This is really sad.
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Old 22-04-2006, 01:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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germany was always a country of knowlegde , science and culture.

The more its astonishing how a country of Goethes,Schillers ,Mozarts , Beethoven,Nobels , Manns and Einsteins was able to be overwhelmed by a anti-intellectual proletarian regime.

it sadly were the unpolitical and illiterated persons who voted for hitler .
Hitler himself was low-educated , he was a person of the folk ..thats why many people loved him so much , people who distrust the politicians of the weimarer republik .
True, but it was those people who had suffered the most from the post First World War depression. It is those people who had the most to gain from a strong ideological leader and the strong sense of unity that the Nazi Party gave. Once in the Party it was easy for the uneducated bullys to be manipulated into thinking that 'what isn't one of us is the enemy'. If everyone else had more than they did it was their fault and it could be taken away. They don't matter so we can take their land in order to expand.

Indeed there was such a mix of events and feelings that there was the ideal breeding ground for bullys and hatred. Something, that if Hitler hadn't actually planned from the Start, he very soon noticed it and grasped it with both hands in order to take full advantage of it.

Which leads to the question.... Evil manipulator, or oppertunist?
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Old 22-04-2006, 01:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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one thing I have forgotten to mention is the "sippenhaft".

it means that not only the one who resisted and opponened the regime was arrested and sent to a kz/killed but also the whole family of him !.
I think this is one of the major reasons for less "public" resistance.
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one thing I have forgotten to mention is the "sippenhaft".

it means that not only the one who resisted and opponened the regime was arrested and sent to a kz/killed but also the whole family of him !.
I think this is one of the major reasons for less "public" resistance.
True, but this could only happen after the party came to power and after there was a state of dictatorship.

Such a threat to suppress the opposition is only a threat if it is known or at least seriously suggested. By the time that happens it's far too late for democracy already.
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Old 23-04-2006, 12:28 PM   #29 (permalink)
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It wa during an article on the BBC Radio 4 program Today on Friday the 21st 2006 that I heard that according to the historian Roger Moorhouse there were about 50 assasination attempts on the life of Hitler, almost all of which were by Germans, and not all of which were after the start of the war.
Some interesting attempts or plans to assassinate here

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan..._attempts.html
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I listened to Gunther Grass latest book . He described a man who was called up into his unit . Each time he was handed a gun he dropped the gun and said "We don't do that" . That became his nickname . Eventually he disappeared . But Grass either does not remember or does not mention his name . I was left feeling that this is tragic . This is the one person he describes who actually resisted . And he is nameless . Is there no way to discover his name ?
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