Hitler Resistance Website

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Here is a link to an extremely informative site regarding the opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. IMHO, it is well worth exploring and provides some fascinating insights as to who was involved, the roles they played and their fate.

http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Center.htm

[sapper]

Come on! Pull the other! Resistance to Hitler? Joking? or is this another bit of "we were really good" not the nasty people that we are made out to be........
Sapper

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Originally posted by sapper@Mar 9 2005, 12:56 PM
Come on! Pull the other! Resistance to Hitler? Joking? or is this another bit of "we were really good" not the nasty people that we are made out to be........
Sapper

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Eh I dont think you'll find that sort of theme running through the site and whether you agree or not the site still is a place of interest. The site is related to the events around 20th July or do you deny that actually happened??? No-one doubts that all aspects of the regime was evil but does that mean that we should not study it?

I never got that feeling from the site that it was in any way revisionist in theme although I will stand corrected on this.

so what do you call the 20th of July? A training exercise to see what would happen in the event of a coup? As far as I was aware a bomb was planted with the intent to kill Hitler. I'm not trying to justify anyones actions, just if you want information on the plot its a good place to go.

If you want that attitude that you mentioned in your post, then I suggest you read most of the memoirs of the German High Command, especially Manstein's "Lost Victories" or Guderian's "Panzer Leader"

Thanks for the encouraging feedback

[sapper]

Again. are you serious? From my recall, the German people turned out in their millions to greet their Hero (when he was winning)

They screamed their adulation of their "leader" trouble is, I can remember what it was like. The bomb? Oh yes, no doubt that it was real. Certainly......but it was only when catastrophic defeat was staring them starkly in the face, and all hope of some miracle had passed, that the bomb plot arose...If there had been a real resistance to Hitler? then why not the bomb plot when he was at the height of his powers? It just does not hold water, it was desperate attempt to salvage something from the ruins of utter defeat....It would not have worked. The German crimes were far to extensive for that little scheme.
Sapper

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Originally posted by sapper@Mar 9 2005, 02:13 PM
Again. are you serious? From my recall, the German people turned out in their millions to greet their Hero (when he was winning)

They screamed their adulation of their "leader" trouble is, I can remember what it was like. The bomb? Oh yes, no doubt that it was real. Certainly......but it was only when catastrophic defeat was staring them starkly in the face, and all hope of some miracle had passed, that the bomb plot arose...If there had been a real resistance to Hitler? then why not the bomb plot when he was at the height of his powers? It just does not hold water, it was desperate attempt to salvage something from the ruins of utter defeat....It would not have worked. The German crimes were far to extensive for that little scheme.
Sapper

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Sapper

I fear that you are taking me up wrong. If you read my first post you would see that I am not making a statement about the rights and wrongs or supporting this in any way. I am merely providing an information source for those who may find this an area of interest. I merely stated that I found the site informative. I dont defend these people

That notwithstanding, I am also aware of Hitler's adoration and veneration by the German people and it wasnt just confined to the German People. TIME magazine voted him Man of the Year in 1936 and correct me if I'm wrong but he wasnt seen by everyone as an evil man in England, at least not until 1939 anyway.

Here is a reference to the subject by the "Holocaust Encyclopedia" and how they approach the matter:

The government of Adolf Hitler was popular with most Germans. Although the Gestapo (secret state police) and the Security Service (SD) suppressed open criticism of the regime, there was some German opposition to the Nazi state and the regimentation of society that took place through the process of "coordination" (Gleichschaltung)--the alignment of individuals and institutions with Nazi goals.

Opposition ranged from non-compliance with Nazi regulations to attempts to assassinate Hitler. Among the earliest resistance to the regime was the political opposition organized by leftist parties such as the Social Democratic Party and the Communist Party of Germany. However leftist opposition within Germany proved ineffectual, as the Security Police (Sipo) crushed the leftist political organizations by force.


Efforts to "coordinate" religious life also followed the Nazi rise to power. Although the Concordat between the Vatican and the Third Reich in July 1933 regulated relations between the Reich and the Catholic church, the Nazis went on to suppress Catholic groups and sought to defame the church through a series of show trials known as the priest trials. While officially silent about the persecution of Jews, the church played a role in the opposition to the killing of mentally or physically handicapped individuals ("euthanasia"). Moreover, individual clergymen sought to protect or help Jews.

Opposition to the Nazi regime also arose among a very small number of German youth, some of whom resented mandatory membership in the Hitler Youth. In Munich in 1942, university students formed the White Rose resistance group. Its leaders, Hans Scholl, his sister Sophie Scholl, and professor Kurt Huber were arrested and executed in 1943 for the distribution of anti-Nazi leaflets. A group that included conservative military officers and diplomats believed that Hitler's violent death should signal a general anti-Nazi revolt. Military officers attempted to assassinate Hitler on July 20, 1944, in his East Prussian headquarters at Rastenburg. Colonel Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg left a bomb in a briefcase near Hitler during a military briefing about the eastern front. In this plot, Karl Goerdeler, a traditional right-wing conservative politician, was to replace Hitler as chancellor. The group even included on its fringes some disillusioned Nazis such as Berlin police president Wolf Heinrich Count von Helldorf and Criminal Police (Kripo) chief Arthur Nebe. Hitler survived the blast, the coup attempt failed, and Roland Freisler, chief justice of the People's Court in Berlin, presided over the trial of those implicated in the plot. Invariably, Freisler convicted the defendants. Most were executed at Berlin's Ploetzensee prison.

This is not a revisionist nor an apologist site and they recognise that opposition did exist within the Third Reich so please, Sapper, I appreciate your opinion and your points are well made but this DID exist and whilst they were not "good" people they did oppose Hitler.

You know of course that the 20th July was not the first attempt on his life? That the Generals were planning a coup as far back as 1938 and the Munich Crisis??? And this was a t a time when he could do no wrong. You may mock or be critical but dont deny that it never happened.

[Kiwiwriter]

Sapper, there WAS a resistance to Hitler in Germany before and during the war. Unfortunately for you and the rest of humanity, it did not achieve in its objectives. Nor was it a large organization. But there were close to 40 attempts on Hitler's life. Every one of them failed, in some cases by hair's breaths. One attempt was a bomb that blew up on November 8, 1939, in the Burgerbraukeller in Munich, just before Hitler was to speak there. It blew up the beerhall, but Der Fuehrer was late. Another attempt in 1943 misfired when the bombs in the champagne bottles in Der Fuehrer's plane failed to go off while he was flying in it. Hitler had incredible protection levels -- even an armored hat -- and even more incredible luck. Many of Hitler's early opponents died early -- among the first hauled off to Buchenwald in 1933. Most of the later resistance members died unbelievably vile deaths by being strangled on piano wire, which was filmed for Hitler's pleasure. Accounts vary on whether he repeatedly watched it or his entourage did. However, most of Germany, as you say, believed in Hitler until they had shocking defeat and appalling crimes shoved in their faces. But that does not take away from the courage of those who tried, like Henning Von Tresckow. He called Hitler "The arch-enemy of the world," and said that "A man's moral value only begins when he is willing to give his life for his convictions." Having said that, with the Gestapo coming to arrest him, Von Tresckow walked out into artillery fire on the Russian Front, so that he would never reveal the names of his resistance colleagues, even under torture. I thought about that as a kid, when anti-draft activists in America, during the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, held up the slogan, "There is nothing worth dying for."

[laufer]

Another site dedicated to German resistance ( German Resistance Memorial Center)
http://www.gdw-berlin.de/index-e.php


In my opinion, map of the net of terror from Gotthard's site is full of white gaps.
Personally, I have great respect for the kids from White Rose and people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Plots of the German officers is another story...

[clancelot]

had hitler been shot at all during his rule over the germany

[Lt. Winters]

I can understand Sappers view it reminds me abit when people are tag team wrestiling and one does all the fighting and the other one stays back and when he sees his opoent has been weakend he only then steps up.
Jack

[spidge]

(clancelot @ Nov 3 2005, 03:40 AM) [post=40998]had hitler been shot at all during his rule over the germany
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Yes. He shot himself. Wish I could have been there.