Were the Muslim SS the most anti-semitic ?

Owen · 25-02-2007, 01:37 PM

Just wondering with the friction today between the two religions whether the Muslims serving in German units were more anti-semetic than your average Nazi?

Desert Dog · 25-02-2007, 04:07 PM

The Germans allowed muslims into the SS?

von Poop · 25-02-2007, 04:11 PM

The Handschar mate, 'Himmler's Muslims.'
http://www.feldgrau.com/13ss.html
Number 13, unlucky for some...

Gotthard Heinrici · 25-02-2007, 04:17 PM

Those boys got into some fierce fights in Yugoslavia I think. there are poictures somewhere on the web of a visit by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to the Division along with Heinrich Himmler

Desert Dog · 25-02-2007, 04:52 PM

Thanks for the link.

This answers my question

Quote:

Himmler also subscribed to the propaganda theory that Croatians (and therefore the Croatian Muslims) were not, in fact, Slavic people, but actually of Aryan (Gothic) descent, and thereby acceptable to the racially "pure" SS.

von Poop · 25-02-2007, 04:58 PM

Well past the time when even a dental filling could deny entry to the SS, Funny how such previously 'important' standards were allowed to slip as the Nazi's slog got harder

.

As to the anti-semitism Owen, I don't know, there seems to only be one substantial looking work on the Handschar and I've never got around to buying it.
Himmler's Bosnian Division
Anyone read it?

51highland · 25-02-2007, 07:13 PM

With what the SS did, its hard to imagine anything being worse, but?

Kyt · 26-02-2007, 01:10 AM

The Handschar was just one of the Islamic formations in the German army - there were formations recruited from the Islamic areas of the USSR, Crimean Tartars, Lebenese and Arabs. See "The East Came West: Muslim, Hindu & Buddhist Volunteers in teh German Armed Forces."

Harry Ree · 26-02-2007, 11:22 AM

By 1943,the medical requirements had been dropped due to the need for ever greater numbers of replacements for the German War Machine.Some fought as auxiliaries in the Hiwi category.Other found themselves pressed into Waffen SS Units. Overall as manpower losses impacted, any man and his dog could join the Waffen SS.

The Germans took them from from Russia,Georgia,the Ukraine,the Crimea,Ruthenia,Cossacks from the Kuban peninsula,Turkestan,Tartars from the Upper Volga,Armenia,Aserbeidjan,Finnish Carelia and North Caucasia.Included in the latter were 150.000 Mohammedans as the Germans referred to them as who left with the German Army as it retreated from North Causasia.The German propaganda machine declared it as 'fighting for the rights of their peoples' The Soviet Union saw it rather differently.

All these who could be grouped as Russian found themselves in Waffen Grenadierdivision der SS Russische Unit 1 or Unit 2,which after a short independent service were both absorbed into the Vlassov Army,the first unit in 1944,the second unit in 1945.

The Waffen Gerirgsddivision der SS Hanschar were a particular vicious mob, mobilised to terrorise their fellow Yugoslavs.The self styled 'Grand Mufti of Jesusalem' was the recruiting sergeant for this unit and the cleric himself was a model anti-Semite which suited the Nazi political climate but above all he was rabid anti British.

I cannot account for his fate at the fall of The Third Reich.

Gotthard Heinrici · 26-02-2007, 11:48 AM

Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini

Here is an article about the Grqand Mufti and what became of him. hope this helps Harry

25-02-2007, 01:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,097	Were the Muslim SS the most anti-semitic ? Just wondering with the friction today between the two religions whether the Muslims serving in German units were more anti-semetic than your average Nazi?

25-02-2007, 04:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,112	The Handschar mate, 'Himmler's Muslims.' http://www.feldgrau.com/13ss.html Number 13, unlucky for some... __________________ It's only the Internet. Last edited by von Poop; 25-02-2007 at 04:14 PM.

25-02-2007, 04:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,723	Those boys got into some fierce fights in Yugoslavia I think. there are poictures somewhere on the web of a visit by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to the Division along with Heinrich Himmler __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

25-02-2007, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
von Poop I Like Tanks. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perfidious Albion. Posts: 8,112	Well past the time when even a dental filling could deny entry to the SS, Funny how such previously 'important' standards were allowed to slip as the Nazi's slog got harder . As to the anti-semitism Owen, I don't know, there seems to only be one substantial looking work on the Handschar and I've never got around to buying it. Himmler's Bosnian Division Anyone read it? __________________ It's only the Internet.

25-02-2007, 07:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
51highland Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ipswich Posts: 760	With what the SS did, its hard to imagine anything being worse, but? __________________ 51 highland www.keep-em-moving.com Là á Bhlàir's math na Càirdean (Friends are good in the day of battle) Na diobair caraid's a charraid (Forsake not a friend in the fray) Cuimhnichibh na suinn nach maireann . Mairidh an cliu beo gu brath. (In memory of the Heroes who are no more. May their Fame live on forever)

25-02-2007, 04:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Desert Dog Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 108	The Germans allowed muslims into the SS?

26-02-2007, 11:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Harry Ree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 611	By 1943,the medical requirements had been dropped due to the need for ever greater numbers of replacements for the German War Machine.Some fought as auxiliaries in the Hiwi category.Other found themselves pressed into Waffen SS Units. Overall as manpower losses impacted, any man and his dog could join the Waffen SS. The Germans took them from from Russia,Georgia,the Ukraine,the Crimea,Ruthenia,Cossacks from the Kuban peninsula,Turkestan,Tartars from the Upper Volga,Armenia,Aserbeidjan,Finnish Carelia and North Caucasia.Included in the latter were 150.000 Mohammedans as the Germans referred to them as who left with the German Army as it retreated from North Causasia.The German propaganda machine declared it as 'fighting for the rights of their peoples' The Soviet Union saw it rather differently. All these who could be grouped as Russian found themselves in Waffen Grenadierdivision der SS Russische Unit 1 or Unit 2,which after a short independent service were both absorbed into the Vlassov Army,the first unit in 1944,the second unit in 1945. The Waffen Gerirgsddivision der SS Hanschar were a particular vicious mob, mobilised to terrorise their fellow Yugoslavs.The self styled 'Grand Mufti of Jesusalem' was the recruiting sergeant for this unit and the cleric himself was a model anti-Semite which suited the Nazi political climate but above all he was rabid anti British. I cannot account for his fate at the fall of The Third Reich.

26-02-2007, 11:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,723	Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini Here is an article about the Grqand Mufti and what became of him. hope this helps Harry __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
THE WAFFEN-SS: Divisional Service History, Brigade/Battalion Unit List + Unit Notes.	Christos	Axis Units	74	30-05-2008 10:42 PM
What did the waffen ss do?	Dave--	NW Europe	98	23-02-2007 12:07 PM
Some History	Wayne	The Holocaust	24	01-02-2007 04:45 PM
The Wwii Quiz Part 1	angie999	Quiz Area	286	10-08-2005 08:33 AM
Major Events Of World War 2	need4speed6490	General	16	29-03-2005 05:10 PM