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Old 03-01-2008, 09:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It looks like a panzer crewmember but he looks really young.And if he is a panzer crewmamber what is he doing there ?
If he is a Hitler youth maybe they are sending them to concentration camps just to watch the horrors and kill without thinking about the human life.I mean training there psyhic (sorry i don't know how to write the word right).I hope you understand what i mean, i don't know if the germans had such practic but who knows, they were sick bustards.
If this picture looks distressing to you, why don't you look some pictures of Japanese invasion in China ? They are brutal!
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah, I've seen some of those. The Nazis and Japanese were so horrible to people they didn't like and viewed inferior.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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It does look like a Panzer uniform but it unusual to find a non Einsatzgruppen member being allowed in an area where this genocide was taking place.The subject might be a Waffen SS type which would fit into his acceptance into this group.

Many Wehrmacht officers soldiers found themselves accidentally in an area where these squads were operating and were ordered to withdraw.Consequently leakage of facts took place from those who expressed horror at what was taking place in the name of Germany.These facts were liable to be discussed and circulated among those who did not support the genocide policy and excesses in the East. They did find their way back to the German homeland and what was happening in the East, supposed to be a closely guarded secret was not the secret the policy makers hoped it would be.

The photograph reflects the arrogance of those taking part and the psychological reasons why they would wish to be seen to participating in the acts.Many of these photographs were found in the personal property of those captured or taken from the German dead.Such photographs occupied pride of place in an Einsatzgruppen wallet.

I would not exclude the Wehrmacht from similar excesses in the East especially in operations against any civilian group that could be passed off as partisans.

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Old 03-01-2008, 10:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If this picture looks distressing to you, why don't you look some pictures of Japanese invasion in China ? They are brutal!
Why would I want to?
I've seen enough pictures and I have an imagination.
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I thought that in the early days Einstazgruppe executions often attracted crowds of spectating German soldiers. I saw an interview with an anti-Nazi officer in a TV documentary about the German opposition to Hitler in which he described seeing one, although he came across it by chance.

Apart from the actual murderer most of the Germans in the picture, including the young man in the black uniform, are from the Army, not the SS. This can be seen by the fact that their uniforms carry the eagle on the right breast; the SS had it on the left sleeve.
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I search for that type of hitler youth uniform but i didn't find anything that matches the uniform on the picture.But look what i found by the way http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...ot_468x323.jpg
Its so sad that they used so young kids, and whats the white uniform? A medic?
Look at some panzer crew uniforms http://www.101airborneww2.com/DuringB.jpg and the second one: http://www.panzerworld.net/pictures/...acher00007.jpg
Gibbo look at the second picture the guy is from SS but he have eagle on his right breast.
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I search for that type of hitler youth uniform but i didn't find anything that matches the uniform on the picture.But look what i found by the way http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...ot_468x323.jpg
Its so sad that they used so young kids, and whats the white uniform? A medic?
Look at some panzer crew uniforms http://www.101airborneww2.com/DuringB.jpg and the second one: http://www.panzerworld.net/pictures/...acher00007.jpg
Gibbo look at the second picture the guy is from SS but he have eagle on his right breast.
The first picture is from an article in the Daily Mail, a British newspaper. It's about a book on Alex Kurzem, a Jewish boy who was adopted by an SS unit as their mascot; they thought that he was a Russian orphan. He's still alive in Australia. Here's a link to the full story.

Hitler's SS mascot was Jewish | the Daily Mail

I think that the white uniform is a summer uniform.

Are you sure that the man in the last photo is SS? The site linked below says that army panzer troops wore the Totenkopf (Death's Head) collar patches.

Heer black Panzer uniform
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It said on wikipedia that there were Hitler Youth in the photo. I'm guessing the Hitler Youth member is that boy who's just right behind the Einsatzgruppe soldier's arm. You see him?
Hmmm not convinced myself and I wouldn't put too much credence into anything Wikipedia might say beyond the very basics.

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Could he have been a Sonderkommando?
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