War Crimes!!?!?!?!?

26-10-2005, 03:53 AM

soooooo.....where to begin...we pin war crimes on the nazi's for very hipicriticle reasons...look at the U.S. now do you think we'll ever get convicted of war crimes?!?...although what were doing now should be considered just that!!?!? WAR CRIME'S!?!? just take time to REALLY tink about it...

26-10-2005, 07:09 PM

I dont think in war there will ever be an innocent side, all commit crimes, some more than others.

Nick · 27-10-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by neo-nazi

soooooo.....where to begin...we pin war crimes on the nazi's for very hipicriticle reasons...look at the U.S. now do you think we'll ever get convicted of war crimes?!?...although what were doing now should be considered just that!!?!? WAR CRIME'S!?!? just take time to REALLY tink about it...

how do you think you can compare the industrialisation of the killing of jews and others, which runs into the millions,ok according to your website it could be less, neverless its still millions, with the current conflict going on, i tink you should tink about it?

BulgarianSoldier · 27-12-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo-nazi

soooooo.....where to begin...we pin war crimes on the nazi's for very hipicriticle reasons...look at the U.S. now do you think we'll ever get convicted of war crimes?!?...although what were doing now should be considered just that!!?!? WAR CRIME'S!?!? just take time to REALLY tink about it...

Americans kill inosent people they start war ok ,but do you think that this make the nazis inosent?
And in nowdays the people dont have the word ,the govermants make wars and outher mistakes the people are just responsible for chosing this govermant.

Gotthard Heinrici · 27-12-2006, 11:28 PM

Neo
please dont even try to compare your country ( I an assuming you mean America) to the Third Reich.

Shörner · 02-01-2007, 02:19 PM

The international community is trying to have donald rumsfeld tried for war crimes. Learn how to spell Hypocritical before you go and wave it in our faces.

sapper · 02-01-2007, 03:44 PM

You really should have lived through those times to appreciate the depth of the evil that the Nazi's were capable of. Hitlers war cost the World 60 million dead. can you take that in? 60 million? Can you also take in the death camps and concentration camps spread all over Poland and Germany. To even raise the subject in this manner. Shows that you have not understood the enormity of Hitlers war.
Sapper

Peter Clare · 02-01-2007, 04:30 PM

ORADOUR-SUR-GLANE (Central France, June 10, 1944)
On their 450 mile drive from the south of France to the Normandy invasion area, the 2nd SS Panzer Division 'Das Reich' (15,000 men aboard 1,400 vehicles, including 209 tanks) under the command of SS General Lammerding, arrived at Limoges, a town famous for its porcelain. In the small town of St. Junien (30 kilometres from Limoges) the 'Der Führer Regiment' was regrouping. Following many encounters with the local maquis in which two German soldiers were killed, a unit of the regiment arrived at ORADOUR (believed to be a hotbed of maquis activity) in a convoy of trucks and half-tracks. At about 2 PM on this Saturday afternoon the 120 man SS unit surrounded the village ordering all inhabitants to parade in the market place for an identity check. Women and children were separated from the menfolk and herded into the local church. The men were herded in groups into six carefully chosen local garages and barns and shot. Their bodies were then covered with straw and set on fire. The 452 women and children in the church were then suffocated by smoke grenades lobbed in through the windows and shrapnel grenades that were thrown down the nave while machine-guns raked the interior. The church was then set on fire.
Incredibly, one woman, Mme Marguerite Rouffanche, escaped by jumping through a window, she was the only witness to the carnage in the church. (Mme Rouffanche died, aged 91, in March, 1988) Unspeakable atrocities were committed throughout the village, but some men managed to escape. The commanding officer of the 1st Battalion of the SS Regiment at ORADOUR was thirty-two year old SS Sturmbannführer Adolf Diekmann, a survivor of the Russian Front. He was later killed in the Normandy battle area on June 30 when hit in the head by shrapnel. Many members of the "Das Reich" reacted with surprising venom against the officer who ordered the massacre and a court martial was established but Diekmann died before the trial took place. The world heard of this massacre eight years later when some of those responsible were brought to trial. In 1953, a French Military Court at Bordeaux, established that 642 people (245 women, 207 children and 190 men) had perished. Twenty-one other members of his company (including fourteen Frenchmen from Alsace-Lorraine who had been conscripted into the SS) were sentenced to death but later their sentences were commuted to terms of imprisonment. All were released by 1959. SS General Lammerding died peacefully at his home at Bad Toltz in Germany on January 13, 1971, of cancer. A close friend of Diekmann was Major Helmut Kampfe, commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion of the Der Führer Regiment. He was kidnapped and executed by the FTP (Communists) the day before the massacre. His kidnapping was not the only reason for the events at Oradour. Gold, looted by the Nazis, and then stolen by the Maquis, was rumoured to be hidden in the village, why else the indiscriminate destruction? Today, the village of Oradour-sur-Glane stands in ruins, just as the SS left it.

Aerial view of Oradour-sur-Glane with the new Oradour top left.
The Church can be seen at foreground center.

Ruins of the Post Office

Car of the local doctor still sits where he left it.

Need I say more?

Gotthard Heinrici · 02-01-2007, 04:45 PM

Ouradour stands as a monument to the cruelty of the 3rd Reich. Another example is of Lidice which was razed to the ground following the assassination of Heydrich in Czechoslovakia in 1942

BulgarianSoldier · 02-01-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapper

You really should have lived through those times to appreciate the depth of the evil that the Nazi's were capable of. Hitlers war cost the World 60 million dead. can you take that in? 60 million? Can you also take in the death camps and concentration camps spread all over Poland and Germany. To even raise the subject in this manner. Shows that you have not understood the enormity of Hitlers war.
Sapper

If you succed to clear the neo-nazi head from the ****s inside ,i will shake your hand.

Thats a skinhead

26-10-2005, 03:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
neo-nazi Guest Posts: n/a	War Crimes!!?!?!?!? soooooo.....where to begin...we pin war crimes on the nazi's for very hipicriticle reasons...look at the U.S. now do you think we'll ever get convicted of war crimes?!?...although what were doing now should be considered just that!!?!? WAR CRIME'S!?!? just take time to REALLY tink about it...

27-12-2006, 11:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,468	Neo please dont even try to compare your country ( I an assuming you mean America) to the Third Reich. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

02-01-2007, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Shörner Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 77	The international community is trying to have donald rumsfeld tried for war crimes. Learn how to spell Hypocritical before you go and wave it in our faces. __________________ We no longer demand anything, we want war. - Germany's foreign minister, August 1939. Today we rule Germany, tomorrow, the world. - Adolf Hitler The gallantry and aggressive fighting spirit of the Russian soldiers command the American army's admiration. - George C. Marshall, Chief of Staff, U.S. Army

02-01-2007, 04:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,468	Ouradour stands as a monument to the cruelty of the 3rd Reich. Another example is of Lidice which was razed to the ground following the assassination of Heydrich in Czechoslovakia in 1942 __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

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26-10-2005, 07:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wise1 Guest Posts: n/a	I dont think in war there will ever be an innocent side, all commit crimes, some more than others.

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sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,429	You really should have lived through those times to appreciate the depth of the evil that the Nazi's were capable of. Hitlers war cost the World 60 million dead. can you take that in? 60 million? Can you also take in the death camps and concentration camps spread all over Poland and Germany. To even raise the subject in this manner. Shows that you have not understood the enormity of Hitlers war. Sapper

02-01-2007, 04:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Peter Clare Very Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Windsor UK Posts: 4,958	ORADOUR-SUR-GLANE (Central France, June 10, 1944) On their 450 mile drive from the south of France to the Normandy invasion area, the 2nd SS Panzer Division 'Das Reich' (15,000 men aboard 1,400 vehicles, including 209 tanks) under the command of SS General Lammerding, arrived at Limoges, a town famous for its porcelain. In the small town of St. Junien (30 kilometres from Limoges) the 'Der Führer Regiment' was regrouping. Following many encounters with the local maquis in which two German soldiers were killed, a unit of the regiment arrived at ORADOUR (believed to be a hotbed of maquis activity) in a convoy of trucks and half-tracks. At about 2 PM on this Saturday afternoon the 120 man SS unit surrounded the village ordering all inhabitants to parade in the market place for an identity check. Women and children were separated from the menfolk and herded into the local church. The men were herded in groups into six carefully chosen local garages and barns and shot. Their bodies were then covered with straw and set on fire. The 452 women and children in the church were then suffocated by smoke grenades lobbed in through the windows and shrapnel grenades that were thrown down the nave while machine-guns raked the interior. The church was then set on fire. Incredibly, one woman, Mme Marguerite Rouffanche, escaped by jumping through a window, she was the only witness to the carnage in the church. (Mme Rouffanche died, aged 91, in March, 1988) Unspeakable atrocities were committed throughout the village, but some men managed to escape. The commanding officer of the 1st Battalion of the SS Regiment at ORADOUR was thirty-two year old SS Sturmbannführer Adolf Diekmann, a survivor of the Russian Front. He was later killed in the Normandy battle area on June 30 when hit in the head by shrapnel. Many members of the "Das Reich" reacted with surprising venom against the officer who ordered the massacre and a court martial was established but Diekmann died before the trial took place. The world heard of this massacre eight years later when some of those responsible were brought to trial. In 1953, a French Military Court at Bordeaux, established that 642 people (245 women, 207 children and 190 men) had perished. Twenty-one other members of his company (including fourteen Frenchmen from Alsace-Lorraine who had been conscripted into the SS) were sentenced to death but later their sentences were commuted to terms of imprisonment. All were released by 1959. SS General Lammerding died peacefully at his home at Bad Toltz in Germany on January 13, 1971, of cancer. A close friend of Diekmann was Major Helmut Kampfe, commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion of the Der Führer Regiment. He was kidnapped and executed by the FTP (Communists) the day before the massacre. His kidnapping was not the only reason for the events at Oradour. Gold, looted by the Nazis, and then stolen by the Maquis, was rumoured to be hidden in the village, why else the indiscriminate destruction? Today, the village of Oradour-sur-Glane stands in ruins, just as the SS left it. Aerial view of Oradour-sur-Glane with the new Oradour top left. The Church can be seen at foreground center. Ruins of the Post Office Car of the local doctor still sits where he left it. Need I say more?

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