World War 2 TalkCalendarContact Us

Go Back   World War 2 Talk > Main WW2 Talk Forum > The Holocaust

The Holocaust Area for discussion of one of the most horrific aspects of the war. No denialism, spam, or disrespect welcome.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-04-2008, 05:54 PM   #41 (permalink)
EmersonBigguns
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 100
EmersonBigguns will become famous soon enoughEmersonBigguns will become famous soon enough
No worries, mate. I didn't take anything personal. Everyone's experience is unique and I realize and respect that.

I'll get the pictures up as soon as I can. Work as usual is getting in the way.
EmersonBigguns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2008, 11:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
plant-pilot
Senior Member
 
plant-pilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 989
plant-pilot has a spectacular aura aboutplant-pilot has a spectacular aura about
The first time I visited Belsen it was miserable November afternoon in the early 1980s and I left with the impression that the place was dark and devoid of all life. I have since been back on several occasions which were coincidentally warm sunny summer afternoons. Although I still felt the dark mood of the place the place was green, bright and far from lifeless.

I saw the same effect, in a single afternoon at Buchenwald when a dull and wet visit changed into a sunny afternoon. The effect each person experiences is built on many things, including preconceptions, time of year and the weather. At least that is my humble opinion.
__________________
M3... the ship of the desert 2003
plant-pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 02:58 AM   #43 (permalink)
lancesergeant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 778
lancesergeant is on a distinguished road
The taking of photographs in itself is not a bad thing. It is the context in which they are taken and the intention of the photographer. The taking of some photos (without flash, I hasten to add) with the right attitude help the photographer later to reflect at a later stage with sombre intrespection/reflection of what they have seen. A reminder.
There are times to contemplate the extent of the human destruction. When one is back in their comfortable domain, they can look back and it will reinforce the experience. In this context I personally think this is paying sincere respect, not the focus of some macabre holiday snaps.

Personal decency should be the deciding factor in the matter. If I visited said sites I may take a few photos only or perhaps none at all. If other visitors are blatently showing a disrectful attitude, then they should be informed of their ignorance and if they wanted to carry on - be forcibly ejected from the site. Might not be good for PR, but it would give them food for thought.
lancesergeant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 02:23 PM   #44 (permalink)
chipmunk wallah
Senior Member
 
chipmunk wallah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: By the mighty Don,no,not the Russian one :)
Posts: 175
chipmunk wallah is on a distinguished road
Not to disagree out right but I myself would say the taking of photographs would be an aid to show to people who have never been to these sites a token idea of the horror. I rather imagine that,like myself,those of us who have actually been there dont need such visual reminders. It has been 5 years now and I can still smell the cold damp of the cellars in block 11 and still clearly picture the pile of childrens shoes and cans of gift gas.
__________________
"I don't know a lot about anything - but I know a little about practically everything."
Vincent Price in "Laura" 1944.(avatar,the gorgeous Miss Gene Tierney
chipmunk wallah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 02:58 PM   #45 (permalink)
Zoya
Partisan
 
Zoya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Cheshire, England
Posts: 170
Zoya will become famous soon enough
Quote:
It has been 5 years now and I can still smell the cold damp of the cellars in block 11
Block 11 was a very dreadful experience for me, quite rightly so.
I came out into the sunlight (very hot August day) but didn't really stop shivering after that.
__________________

The Motherland, bent over her daughter's ashes,
Sings this tender maternal song
About Zoya, the girl, who has become a legend,
Who died and was born for eternal life.
Dimitri Shostakovich
Song for Zoya (1944)

The War in the East
Zoya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2008, 10:00 AM   #46 (permalink)
Panzerschreck
Member
 
Panzerschreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 62
Panzerschreck is on a distinguished road
I was visiting Auschwitz - Birkenau in the summer of 2005, and I can confirm that I didn't see any birds or other types of animals there. What the cause is, I don't know, but I can confirm that I didn't see any animals.
Panzerschreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2008, 10:16 AM   #47 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici
Pog mo thon
 
Gotthard Heinrici's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,856
Gotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the rough
Well there are 2 schools of thought here: The "Humanities" group which believes that nature is affected by evil and will not go near it and the Sciences School which believes that nature is nature and that evil is not something that it notices. This massive chasm between the two schools has never been breached and will continue to rage across these boards for many, many, many years to come.
__________________
"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."
- General Heinz Guderian
Gotthard Heinrici is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2008, 10:23 AM   #48 (permalink)
Owen
Top Moose
 
Owen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Under the stairs
Posts: 9,314
Owen is a name known to allOwen is a name known to allOwen is a name known to allOwen is a name known to allOwen is a name known to allOwen is a name known to all
Quote:
the Sciences School which believes that nature is nature and that evil is not something that it notices.
Well I am firmly in that camp.
Must visit Auschwitz one day.
Think I'll wait until the children are older.
Welcome to the site Panzerschreck.
Owen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2008, 10:41 AM   #49 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici
Pog mo thon
 
Gotthard Heinrici's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,856
Gotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the roughGotthard Heinrici is a jewel in the rough
The Sciences people are also Eggheads who wander around in Lab coats and appear on programs like this:

YouTube - Look Around You - 1 - Maths
__________________
"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."
- General Heinz Guderian
Gotthard Heinrici is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2008, 11:38 AM   #50 (permalink)
Panzerschreck
Member
 
Panzerschreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 62
Panzerschreck is on a distinguished road
Thank you Owen D. I really think that you should visit Auschwitz some day, it's worth it!
Panzerschreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chelsea Coach visits Auschwitz Owen The Holocaust 1 03-05-2008 12:18 AM
EB Visits Auschwitz - 25 March 2008 EmersonBigguns The Holocaust 17 06-04-2008 09:30 PM
Auschwitz, the Nazis and the "Final Solution" angie999 The Holocaust 11 05-08-2005 10:53 PM
Auschwitz: The Nazis and the "Final Solution" Part 4 - Corruption Wise1 The Holocaust 9 28-02-2005 01:06 AM
Return to Auschwitz by Kitty Hart Moxon Wise1 Books, Movies, TV 3 27-08-2004 09:17 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:14 PM.
vBSkinworks


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0