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rupert@cfi.net · 07-03-2004, 06:22 AM

I am looking for information on a polish unit I believe was at Monte Casino?
Does anyone have a regimental (polish or english 8th army) list that includes the 7th armoured regiment (pulku 7 pancernego) of the polish free army at casino or other itlian battles??

RR

MalcolmII · 07-03-2004, 05:25 PM

7th Lublin Lancers were an armoured recce group in 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division apart from them I can find no mention of a Polish 7th Armoured Battalion in Bellis for the time of Cassino.

Aye
MalcolmII

rupert@cfi.net · 07-03-2004, 05:58 PM

thanks MalcolmII.

I have a card from my father in-law (past away 5years ago). I can't seem t find a a 7th armoured reg in the polish army.

Can anyone translate the following information and give me a clue to the following questions?

1. If this was the 7th armoured regiment - where can I find world war history?

2. Why the year 1946 -- so long after the end of the war?

3. What does Stopien refer to with ST. PANC. written above it?

Legiymacja

nr228
upowazniajaca do noszenia
odznaki pulkowej
pulku 7 pancernego

rozkazem dziennym pulku
7pancrnego nr 38
z dnia 14 sierpnia 1946r.
zostala nadana
odznaka pulkowa
pulku 7 pancernego
nr 228

stopien (st. panc.) olbrzymek (father in laws surname) jan

m. p, dnia 25 VII. 1946r.

dowodca
pulku 7 panc

jankowski
major

MalcolmII · 07-03-2004, 09:02 PM

Rupert,
If you send me an email I can send you a scan of the Polish ORBAT.
Aye
Malcolm

No.9 · 09-03-2004, 03:54 AM

rupert, I doubt if there was a 7th Polish Armour during the war campaign in Italy? Perhaps the ‘7’ is being mistaken as a ‘2’, or, the person was serving with the 7th British Armour?

2 Polish Corps, 9 Apr 1945

5th Kresowa Infantry Division (Polish)
- 2nd Polish Armoured Brigade
- 1st Polish Armoured Cavalry Regiment
- 4th Polish Armoured Regiment
- 6th Lwowski Armoured Regiment
- 9th Polish Field Troop (Engineers)

3rd Carpathian Rifle Division (Polish)
- 12th Podolski Lancer (Reconnaissance) Regiment *

There’s quite a good breakdown at Pat Skelly's site:
http://www.milhist.net/ordbat/2polcorps.html#450409

The site is from the American perspective and there are inaccuracies among the Allied listings, (the Commando references for instance), but otherwise it’s generally a good guide.

If you have a reference for 1946, why do you suppose it has anything to do with Cassino?

The Poles languished around in Italy until 1947 or so. During the war after Yalta and the decision to surrender Poland to the Soviets,, General Anders wanted to pull them out! Despite some 25’000 casualties, Anders ended the war with more men than he started with. This was due to Poles conscripted by the Germans joining the Free Polish among the Allies after they deserted or were captured.

After the war many Poles didn’t want to return to Soviet Poland. Unfortunately they presented a political problem for the Allies who didn’t wish to upset the Soviets, and a practical one in that there was little inclination to provide for refugees. Some found a home with various Allies, but most were eventually taken in, reluctantly, by Britain and placed in mining, farming and fishing communities.

No.9

Lustleighlad · 10-03-2004, 05:01 PM

I have a lot of books on the Italian campaign and was out in Italy myself and I can find no reference to the 7th Polish Rgt of never came across them during the war.
Lustleighlad.

Happy Hussar · 21-04-2004, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rupert@cfi.net@Mar 7 2004, 04:58 PM
Legiymacja

nr228
upowazniajaca do noszenia
odznaki pulkowej
pulku 7 pancernego

rozkazem dziennym pulku
7pancrnego nr 38
z dnia 14 sierpnia 1946r.
zostala nadana
odznaka pulkowa
pulku 7 pancernego
nr 228

stopien (st. panc.) olbrzymek (father in laws surname) jan

m. p, dnia 25 VII. 1946r.

dowodca
pulku 7 panc

jankowski
major

It's a document permitting to wear badge of 7 regiment.

"rozkazem dziennym pulku
7pancrnego nr 38
z dnia 14 sierpnia 1946r. "
-Daily order of 7th regiment No 38

"zostala nadana
odznaka pulkowa
pulku 7 pancernego
nr 228"
-A badge(No 228) of 7th regiment has been given to

"stopien (st. panc.) olbrzymek (father in laws surname) jan"
-'Stopień' it means degree 'st.' its 'starszy'-older like in Private First Class
'panc.' is shortcut for, I think, 'pancerny'-armoured. So its a officers degree in armoured unit.

"dowodca
pulku 7 panc

jankowski
major"
-Commander of 7th armoured regiment Major Jankowski

Well thats all what I was able to translate with my english :P

rupert@cfi.net · 28-04-2004, 03:51 AM

Thank you!!

Happy Hussar · 28-04-2004, 12:51 PM

You're welcome.

laufer · 24-08-2004, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by No.9@Mar 9 2004, 04:54 AM
rupert, I doubt if there was a 7th Polish Armour during the war campaign in Italy? Perhaps the ‘7’ is being mistaken as a ‘2’, or, the person was serving with the 7th British Armour?

2 Polish Corps, 9 Apr 1945

5th Kresowa Infantry Division (Polish)
- 2nd Polish Armoured Brigade
- 1st Polish Armoured Cavalry Regiment
- 4th Polish Armoured Regiment
- 6th Lwowski Armoured Regiment
- 9th Polish Field Troop (Engineers)

3rd Carpathian Rifle Division (Polish)
- 12th Podolski Lancer (Reconnaissance) Regiment *

No.9

Quoted post

Later that 12th Podolski Lancers Regiment was replaced with 7th Lublin Lancers

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07-03-2004, 06:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
rupert@cfi.net Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3	I am looking for information on a polish unit I believe was at Monte Casino? Does anyone have a regimental (polish or english 8th army) list that includes the 7th armoured regiment (pulku 7 pancernego) of the polish free army at casino or other itlian battles?? RR

07-03-2004, 05:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
MalcolmII Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 209	7th Lublin Lancers were an armoured recce group in 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division apart from them I can find no mention of a Polish 7th Armoured Battalion in Bellis for the time of Cassino. Aye MalcolmII

07-03-2004, 05:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
rupert@cfi.net Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3	thanks MalcolmII. I have a card from my father in-law (past away 5years ago). I can't seem t find a a 7th armoured reg in the polish army. Can anyone translate the following information and give me a clue to the following questions? 1. If this was the 7th armoured regiment - where can I find world war history? 2. Why the year 1946 -- so long after the end of the war? 3. What does Stopien refer to with ST. PANC. written above it? Legiymacja nr228 upowazniajaca do noszenia odznaki pulkowej pulku 7 pancernego rozkazem dziennym pulku 7pancrnego nr 38 z dnia 14 sierpnia 1946r. zostala nadana odznaka pulkowa pulku 7 pancernego nr 228 stopien (st. panc.) olbrzymek (father in laws surname) jan m. p, dnia 25 VII. 1946r. dowodca pulku 7 panc jankowski major

07-03-2004, 09:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
MalcolmII Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 209	Rupert, If you send me an email I can send you a scan of the Polish ORBAT. Aye Malcolm

09-03-2004, 03:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
No.9 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 221	rupert, I doubt if there was a 7th Polish Armour during the war campaign in Italy? Perhaps the ‘7’ is being mistaken as a ‘2’, or, the person was serving with the 7th British Armour? 2 Polish Corps, 9 Apr 1945 5th Kresowa Infantry Division (Polish) - 2nd Polish Armoured Brigade - 1st Polish Armoured Cavalry Regiment - 4th Polish Armoured Regiment - 6th Lwowski Armoured Regiment - 9th Polish Field Troop (Engineers) 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division (Polish) - 12th Podolski Lancer (Reconnaissance) Regiment * There’s quite a good breakdown at Pat Skelly's site: http://www.milhist.net/ordbat/2polcorps.html#450409 The site is from the American perspective and there are inaccuracies among the Allied listings, (the Commando references for instance), but otherwise it’s generally a good guide. If you have a reference for 1946, why do you suppose it has anything to do with Cassino? The Poles languished around in Italy until 1947 or so. During the war after Yalta and the decision to surrender Poland to the Soviets,, General Anders wanted to pull them out! Despite some 25’000 casualties, Anders ended the war with more men than he started with. This was due to Poles conscripted by the Germans joining the Free Polish among the Allies after they deserted or were captured. After the war many Poles didn’t want to return to Soviet Poland. Unfortunately they presented a political problem for the Allies who didn’t wish to upset the Soviets, and a practical one in that there was little inclination to provide for refugees. Some found a home with various Allies, but most were eventually taken in, reluctantly, by Britain and placed in mining, farming and fishing communities. No.9

10-03-2004, 05:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lustleighlad WW2 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9	I have a lot of books on the Italian campaign and was out in Italy myself and I can find no reference to the 7th Polish Rgt of never came across them during the war. Lustleighlad.

28-04-2004, 03:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
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