Pow In Italy

Roxy · 08-12-2005, 06:58 PM

I've always been led to believe that my grandfather was captured in Italy whilst serving in the Cameron Highlanders. Other than his name, I've not got a lot to go on. Can anybody give me a starting point?

Thanks in advance,

Roxy

Kiwiwriter · 08-12-2005, 07:53 PM

Welcome aboard, and thank you for your grandfather's service.

Start with his military records at the PRO, and the history of the regiment...he might be in it.

Roxy · 08-12-2005, 09:23 PM

Thanks. The web site doesn't appear too user friendly so it's either south to London or north to Cameron Barracks.

I'll let you know!

Roxy

wasman · 09-12-2005, 02:54 AM

This book may be of use,

http://www.dhmb.co.uk/asp/product.asp?prod...archFor=&PT_ID=

Roxy · 09-12-2005, 04:20 PM

Thanks!

Roxy

Ali Hollington · 09-12-2005, 04:50 PM

Hi,

You could try:

Army Personnel Centre,
Historical Disclosures,
Mailpoint 400,
Kentigern House,
65 Brown Street,
Glasgow G2 8EX

For telephone enquiries, please use the number below:

Telephone: 0141 224 3515 or 0845 600 9663

Fax: 0141 224 2144

The Ministry of Defence does not normally release information from a service record to persons other than the individual concerned or their next of kin. There is a search fee for genealogical enquiries which currently stands at £25.00.

Regards
Ali

Roxy · 22-07-2008, 12:05 AM

I'm back after some time away - just got a bit lost!

Discovered a bit more about my grandad. He was a Cameron Highlander - enlisted in 1927 then again, after being discharged to the reserve, in 1939 to serve 21 years service. From the ICRC, I discovered that he was captured at Anzio on 29 May 1944 and was imprisoned in Stalag VB and Stalag VIIA. However, the big book of POWs (can't recall the name!) has him down as RSF. It does not appear that the Cameron's were in the orbat; however 2RSF were!

Roxy

Tom Canning · 22-07-2008, 12:30 AM

Roxy - you were led correctly as the 2nd batt. Camerons served in 11th bde of the 4th Indian Div. which had a noble history in the Desert - then Ethiopis - back to Tunisia - the two balltes at Cassino - on to the Trasemino Line after Rome - then over to the Gothic Line and finally Greece.
The Camerons served as the British element of 11th bde along with the 3rd Batt 7th Punjabi's and the 2nd Batt. 7th Gurkhas particularly in Italy - so his records should show where he was taken prisoner - but my money would be around Cassino as they had lost their most famous Major General - Tuker to sickness and the division was led by a Brigadier Dimoline for those two battles in which they were cut up very badly.

Owen · 22-07-2008, 12:33 AM

He could easily have been transfered to 2RSF .
I have 5th Div History will have a look what happened on 29th May.

edit: just had a look. Nothing for 29th but on 28th 2RSF were caught in a barrage by their own artillery whilst right up in the German wire.

Tom Canning · 22-07-2008, 12:37 AM

Roxy - just caught up with the rest of your postings - you are quite right - the Camerons were not at Anzio but the Scots fusiliers were - in fact some of them were floating off shore in a barge when a submarine popped up alongside and a voice asked " who are you" - and on answering the "RSF's " - the voice then said " never heard of you " - and submerged once more !

08-12-2005, 06:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Roxy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elgin, Moray Posts: 65	I've always been led to believe that my grandfather was captured in Italy whilst serving in the Cameron Highlanders. Other than his name, I've not got a lot to go on. Can anybody give me a starting point? Thanks in advance, Roxy __________________ Remembering my good mates Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 who died in Afghanistan on 2 Sep 06. Also remembering my ggf Pte Thomas Roberts who fought for his country in The Great War and died on 25 Sep 15 at Loos. And my gf Pte Thomas Roxburgh who fought for his country in the Second World War and survived.

08-12-2005, 07:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newark, NJ, and Christchurch, NZ Posts: 2,431	Welcome aboard, and thank you for your grandfather's service. Start with his military records at the PRO, and the history of the regiment...he might be in it. __________________ "My intensity is intense." -- Roger Clemens "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -- Winston Churchill. "I am not a hero. The heroes are all dead. I am a survivor." -- Sgt. William Guarnere, Easy Company, 506th Parachute Regiment, 101st Airborne Division. Check out my little contributions to World War II history at my web pages: World War II Plus 55 or http://davidhlippman.wildbillguarnere.com

08-12-2005, 09:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Roxy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elgin, Moray Posts: 65	Thanks. The web site doesn't appear too user friendly so it's either south to London or north to Cameron Barracks. I'll let you know! Roxy __________________ Remembering my good mates Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 who died in Afghanistan on 2 Sep 06. Also remembering my ggf Pte Thomas Roberts who fought for his country in The Great War and died on 25 Sep 15 at Loos. And my gf Pte Thomas Roxburgh who fought for his country in the Second World War and survived.

09-12-2005, 04:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Roxy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elgin, Moray Posts: 65	Thanks! Roxy __________________ Remembering my good mates Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 who died in Afghanistan on 2 Sep 06. Also remembering my ggf Pte Thomas Roberts who fought for his country in The Great War and died on 25 Sep 15 at Loos. And my gf Pte Thomas Roxburgh who fought for his country in the Second World War and survived.

09-12-2005, 04:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ali Hollington Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 153	Hi, You could try: Army Personnel Centre, Historical Disclosures, Mailpoint 400, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX For telephone enquiries, please use the number below: Telephone: 0141 224 3515 or 0845 600 9663 Fax: 0141 224 2144 The Ministry of Defence does not normally release information from a service record to persons other than the individual concerned or their next of kin. There is a search fee for genealogical enquiries which currently stands at £25.00. Regards Ali __________________ http://alihollington.typepad.com/historic_battlefields/

09-12-2005, 02:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
wasman Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Atherton Posts: 48	This book may be of use, http://www.dhmb.co.uk/asp/product.asp?prod...archFor=&PT_ID=

22-07-2008, 12:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
Roxy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elgin, Moray Posts: 65	I'm back after some time away - just got a bit lost! Discovered a bit more about my grandad. He was a Cameron Highlander - enlisted in 1927 then again, after being discharged to the reserve, in 1939 to serve 21 years service. From the ICRC, I discovered that he was captured at Anzio on 29 May 1944 and was imprisoned in Stalag VB and Stalag VIIA. However, the big book of POWs (can't recall the name!) has him down as RSF. It does not appear that the Cameron's were in the orbat; however 2RSF were! Roxy

22-07-2008, 12:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tom Canning WW2 Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 592	Roxy - you were led correctly as the 2nd batt. Camerons served in 11th bde of the 4th Indian Div. which had a noble history in the Desert - then Ethiopis - back to Tunisia - the two balltes at Cassino - on to the Trasemino Line after Rome - then over to the Gothic Line and finally Greece. The Camerons served as the British element of 11th bde along with the 3rd Batt 7th Punjabi's and the 2nd Batt. 7th Gurkhas particularly in Italy - so his records should show where he was taken prisoner - but my money would be around Cassino as they had lost their most famous Major General - Tuker to sickness and the division was led by a Brigadier Dimoline for those two battles in which they were cut up very badly.

22-07-2008, 12:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,314	He could easily have been transfered to 2RSF . I have 5th Div History will have a look what happened on 29th May. edit: just had a look. Nothing for 29th but on 28th 2RSF were caught in a barrage by their own artillery whilst right up in the German wire. Last edited by Owen; 22-07-2008 at 12:38 AM.

22-07-2008, 12:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tom Canning WW2 Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 592	Roxy - just caught up with the rest of your postings - you are quite right - the Camerons were not at Anzio but the Scots fusiliers were - in fact some of them were floating off shore in a barge when a submarine popped up alongside and a voice asked " who are you" - and on answering the "RSF's " - the voice then said " never heard of you " - and submerged once more !

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