WW1, Royal Garrison Artillery

hedwig06 · 28-05-2008, 07:16 PM

I am researching my family history and have found 2 brothers who both served in the above regiment the 1st brother was a GNR and the 2nd, older brother was a GNR and also a TPTR - what is this?

Also both brother signed up within a couple of days of each other in 1915, so why is the older brother a GNR and a TPTR, also the older brother has a victory, british and star medal. Is this normal?

Would someone also know whether I qualify to obtain the war records of both these brother and any more that I find, as there is another 3 brothers to research yet!!! I am their brothers great-grandaughter. If I do qualify how do I go about it?
Sorry for all the questions, but obviously don't know much about his subject.
Many thanks, Angi

Owen · 28-05-2008, 07:59 PM

Angi,
You're better off asking on The Great War Forum.
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Bodston · 28-05-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hedwig06

TPTR - what is this?

Also both brother signed up within a couple of days of each other in 1915, so why is the older brother a GNR and a TPTR, also the older brother has a victory, british and star medal. Is this normal?

Many thanks, Angi

Could TPTR be Trumpeter. Or were they called Buglers?

Those 3 medals, aren't they what are known as Pip, Squeak and Wilfred?
It is a phrase that I've heard in reference to WW1 medals but I don't know any more.

Bod

hedwig06 · 29-05-2008, 11:38 AM

Thanks for your replies, I do think he was a trumpeter as well as a Gunner.
Ta, Angi

Bodston · 29-05-2008, 12:35 PM

Pip, Squeak and Wilfred

CROONAERT · 29-05-2008, 12:43 PM

TPTR is , indeed, "trumpeter". - The Artillery (and cavalry) had "trumpeters", the infantry had "buglers".

Have you looked at their Medal Index Cards (on the NA website and (possibly) on Ancestry)? You may be able to get a good start on researching them from these (especially the one with the trio - his date of entry overseas (and to where) should be obtainable from this).

What are their names?

Dave.

dbf · 29-05-2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hedwig06

I am researching my family history and have found 2 brothers who both served in the above regiment the 1st brother was a GNR and the 2nd, older brother was a GNR and also a TPTR - what is this?

Also both brother signed up within a couple of days of each other in 1915, so why is the older brother a GNR and a TPTR, also the older brother has a victory, british and star medal. Is this normal?

Would someone also know whether I qualify to obtain the war records of both these brother and any more that I find, as there is another 3 brothers to research yet!!! I am their brothers great-grandaughter. If I do qualify how do I go about it?
Sorry for all the questions, but obviously don't know much about his subject.
Many thanks, Angi

Hi Angi,

As Croonaert has already suggested the GWF is the best place to get advice as the pals there do help an awful lot. In the meantime, if you still haven't got access to Ancestry by Sunday, give me a PM and I will have a look for you. I will be away until Sunday evening.

By the way, unlike the WW2 records, those for WWI are in the public domain, so there is no requirement to 'qualify' to see them, unless the men stayed in service after 1922 [? Croonaert?] They are held at the National Archives in Kew - if they have survived that is. I have 2 brothers in RFA died May 1915, neither of their records were found at Kew. Luck of the draw, I'm afraid.

Regards,
Diane

Trincomalee · 29-05-2008, 07:52 PM

I have a great uncle was in the RGA and I got so much information from the Great War Forum . During March I was in the Imperial War Museum reading a personal diary that someone on the GWF had told me about . That is definitely the place for WW1 research !

Owen · 29-05-2008, 07:55 PM

GWF can be rather good can also attract some loons too.

Warren F · 24-08-2008, 07:48 PM

Hi from west coast of Canada. I am trying also to find some info on a family member serving in RGA. I do know he enlisted in Ireland (northern ?) but do not know when. During WW1 he was awarded a DCM and a MID. I have the citation for the DCM but cannot find out where he was or the date of the award. I can find nothing on the MID but I do have the clasp on one of his medals.
Another medal in my possesion is a coronation medal issued in 1902 to British forces serving in Hong Kong so he must have been a long time member of the regiment. Family oral history says he also served in Africa but where and when ?????

He is William J Freeman, retired as a Warrant Officer in 1919 after injuries. He emigrated to Canada with his family in 1920. Regt # 99314.

Any help to go further would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Warren

28-05-2008, 07:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
hedwig06 Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6	WW1, Royal Garrison Artillery I am researching my family history and have found 2 brothers who both served in the above regiment the 1st brother was a GNR and the 2nd, older brother was a GNR and also a TPTR - what is this? Also both brother signed up within a couple of days of each other in 1915, so why is the older brother a GNR and a TPTR, also the older brother has a victory, british and star medal. Is this normal? Would someone also know whether I qualify to obtain the war records of both these brother and any more that I find, as there is another 3 brothers to research yet!!! I am their brothers great-grandaughter. If I do qualify how do I go about it? Sorry for all the questions, but obviously don't know much about his subject. Many thanks, Angi

29-05-2008, 12:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bodston Very Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just around the corner Posts: 1,295	Pip, Squeak and Wilfred __________________ My mother told me, I never should, play with the gypsies in the wood.

29-05-2008, 12:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
CROONAERT Vejovis Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 704	TPTR is , indeed, "trumpeter". - The Artillery (and cavalry) had "trumpeters", the infantry had "buglers". Have you looked at their Medal Index Cards (on the NA website and (possibly) on Ancestry)? You may be able to get a good start on researching them from these (especially the one with the trio - his date of entry overseas (and to where) should be obtainable from this). What are their names? Dave. __________________ In memory of 1440313 Gnr.Michael O'Mara, 155th Bty, 52nd (East Lancs) L.A.A.Regt (TA) R.A. - severely wounded near Arras in May 1940 and who took nearly 21 years to eventually die of his injuries. website: http://pathsofglory.co.uk

24-08-2008, 07:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Warren F Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2	another relative Hi from west coast of Canada. I am trying also to find some info on a family member serving in RGA. I do know he enlisted in Ireland (northern ?) but do not know when. During WW1 he was awarded a DCM and a MID. I have the citation for the DCM but cannot find out where he was or the date of the award. I can find nothing on the MID but I do have the clasp on one of his medals. Another medal in my possesion is a coronation medal issued in 1902 to British forces serving in Hong Kong so he must have been a long time member of the regiment. Family oral history says he also served in Africa but where and when ????? He is William J Freeman, retired as a Warrant Officer in 1919 after injuries. He emigrated to Canada with his family in 1920. Regt # 99314. Any help to go further would be much appreciated. Thanks Warren

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28-05-2008, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,686	Angi, You're better off asking on The Great War Forum. Great War Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board)

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hedwig06 Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6	Thanks for your replies, I do think he was a trumpeter as well as a Gunner. Ta, Angi

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Trincomalee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 165	I have a great uncle was in the RGA and I got so much information from the Great War Forum . During March I was in the Imperial War Museum reading a personal diary that someone on the GWF had told me about . That is definitely the place for WW1 research !

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Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 8,686	GWF can be rather good can also attract some loons too.

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