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![]() ![]() | Japanese Hell Ships - POW Deaths A tribute to the 21,039 POW's who were killed predominantly by Allied submarines while being transported on Japanese ships. http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/Deatha...WorldWar2.html This site was created as a resource for educational use and the promotion of historical awareness. THE NAVAL HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA, INC and Mackenzie J. Gregory
__________________ Spidge, ![]() ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm | |||
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![]() | Very interesting but tradgic story. If the Japanese had marked ships with red crosses, there is a fair chance that they would have used those ships to transport war materials as well, which is as bad if not worse a crime than not marking the ships. The accidental killing of prisoners of war was not confined to the PTO. It may not have been on the same scale, but many trains transporting POWs across europe were attacked by allied aircraft with the inevitable results. Factories bombed by the allies were occupied by slave labour, both civilian and russian prisoners of war, again with the inevitable results. It is a fact of war that although the capturing power is supposed to remove it's prisoners away from the front line area as soon as possible, that doesn't actually make them 'safe', just a bit safer. ![]()
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__________________ Spidge, ![]() ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm | |
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![]() | Does anyone have any details on whether these ships were carrying nothing but prisoners or workers, or if the PAX were added to fill the ships that were already carrying other cargo? Mixing the cargo and topping up are viable loading policies within reason but not all that legal according to LoAC. The most sensible thing would be for ships to carry war materials/troops from Japan and return to Japan filled with prisoners/wounded rather than empty. I am however too long in the tooth to just take the sensible option as 'read'. So anyone have the definitive answer?
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![]() | Is there any substance to the story that the Japanese put prisoners below decks knowing that they were going to be sunk by their own side. I have heard one instance of a ship being sailed out deliberately into an area patrolled by Allied warships and engaging them so as to have them sink the ship. |
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__________________ Spidge, ![]() ------------------------------------------------------- My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." (Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.) What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site: http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm | ||
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![]() | As spidge points out a large number of allied POWs did die on such ships....unfortunately in many cases when a ship was sunk it was often taken as an oppurtunity to cover up the previous murder of POWs on land. Apparently there was a phenomenal amount of POWs on the Montevideo Maru. Similar to the old story about witnesses to a crime...all five hundred of them....being in the toilet when the crime was committed. Rgds Tim D
__________________ In memory of the service of my relatives: 75429 LAC Eric R E Berthelsen, 8 & 40 Squadrons, RAAF. QX11125 PTE Donald A Smart, 2/25th Battalion, AIF. 123786 CPL George Smart, 6 Postal Unit, RAAF. . 94064 SGT Melba P Berthelsen, 3 & 7 Stores Depots, WAAAF. 100498 CPL Mona O Berthelsen, 3 & 7 Stores Depots, WAAAF. QX30327 PTE Cavell B Berthelsen, 101 Convalescent Depot, AMF. QX27130 PTE Norman F Zeller, 62nd Battalion & 2/15th Battalion, AIF. Q69316 WO1 Harold J Tesch, 1 Australian Ships Staff, AIF. Formerly RSM 41st Battalion 1st AIF. Q226443 LT George A Clyne, 8th Battalion, VDC. Q213224 PTE Neil C Smart, 13th Battalion, VDC. |
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