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| Grumpy Old Moose ![]() Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Rich, shows that you've read it closer than I have. Just found this which is of similar interest, refering to A Sqn. 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards - Main Page Quote:
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![]() | thanks for your comments, links and information. My head is buzzing somewhat, but in a nice way!! The information I have regarding my Grandfather is as follows: Name: Ernest Henry Jones (known as Tony) DOB : 15th April 1913 From his release book: Army No... 404199 Present Rank... W/Sergeant Unit, Regt or Corps... Royal Armoured Corps Trade on enlistment... Clerk (trade tests passed, Clerk Gp c C1 I) Date of Last Enlistment...24 Sep 1930(crossed out) Rejoined from reserve 3rd Sept 1939 Service Trade... Clerk C I Do you think he did/could have written the journal, or is it unlikely? I am also assuming he is the Sergt. Jones of the 4th Troop listed at the start of the journal, although that means he wrote about himself in the 3rd person, ahh, who knows?! Anyway, I have attached a photo of him taken in 1940 in Whitby, Yorkshire, where my Nan evacuated herself to. thanks again Louisa |
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| Grumpy Old Moose ![]() Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Can't really help with much else , just to say HCR Bolckow didn't survive the war either. CWGC :: Casualty Details Name:BOLCKOW, HENRY CUTHBERT RAYLTON Initials:H C R Nationality:United Kingdom Rank:Major Regiment/Service:Royal Armoured Corps Unit Text:4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards Age:46 Date of Death:17/01/1944 Service No:13746 Additional information:Son of Henry William Ferdinand and Bessy May Bolckow, of Marton-in-Cleveland. Casualty Type:Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference:N.E. of church. Cemetery:MARTON-IN-CLEVELAND (ST. CUTHBERT) CHURCHYARD |
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![]() | Owen, you have been more than helpful. Thanks to you and everyone who has responed, we have a much clearer idea of what was happening at that time and I can pass it on to my daughter, another generation who will not forget. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Louisa, It's quite possible that he was the author. He was a clerk when he enlisted and kept the trade and he was a pre-war Regular. A clerk in the Regimental Office would be privvy to all sorts of things and would have been responsible for keeping the maps up to date. Whoever wrote it knew about the missing marked maps and virtually accuses Major Scott of theft - I can't imagine that a brother officer in a Cavalry Regiment would do that ! A crewman in a vehicle with failing radio contact would be hard-pushed to know what was going on 50 yards away so the journal was obviously written by someone in contact with HQ and with the more senior officers. I'm sure that it was written by someone used to making reports and writing in the third person so he does rather fit the bill. I would suspect though that it probably means that he isn't the Jones of 4th Troop. It's nice to see a picture of him. Have you been able to find the motorcycle picture yet ? Rich |
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![]() | Rich... I am going to see my Nan today, I will have another look for the motorcycle picture. I am also going to get her to sign the forms so I can request his service history, hopefully, that will give me some more information. I am a bit ![]() at the thought of him practically accusing the Major of theft, I hope non of the Majors descendants get wind of it!!Will post later with any news. Thanks Louisa |
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![]() | Rich, I didn't find the picture, it's so frustrating as we can all remember it, apart from my nan!. My aunt is away at the moment, but I will see if she can shed some light on it when she comes back. I did find a great picture that had been made into a postcard (see attachment) My Grandfather is front row, 2nd from left. No idea where or when it was taken though. I also found 2 pages of 'orders' for 30th July 1941 and 9th April 1943. They are typed by him as his initials are typed in the bottom left hand corner. He kept these as they have the birth announcements of his daughters on. The papers list who had undergone punishments and why, who has been on courses of instruction, who has been exposed to chemical warfare etc as well as births and marriages. The entries regarding him state he belongs to 'HQ', but i don't know where. Its so interesting for me, hope i'm not boring you all! |
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| Grumpy Old Moose ![]() Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Going by the uniforms that's pre-war or very early in the war. They are wearing Service Dress. By 1940 they'd be wearing Battle Dress. Those orders from 41/42 , could they be when he was with 22nd Dragoons? Any names mentioned we could look up? Sounds even more like he was a clerk at HQ as Rich says, makes him privy to info not generally known by "Other Ranks". Locations?? 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards: Service 1929England: Shorncliffe 1931Tidworth 2 Cav Bde 1935Scotland: Edinburgh 1936.104th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards 1937England: Aldershot 2 Div 1938.08mechanised 1939Aldershot 4 Div 1939.09France & Belgium recce regt, 2 Inf Div, BEF 1940.06UK 1 Armd Recce Bde 1940.12UK 27 Armd Bde, 9 Armd Div 1940.12.30cadre detached to form22nd Dragoons Last edited by Owen; 11-10-2007 at 11:10 AM. |
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| Grumpy Old Moose ![]() Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Just looked here, 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards [UK] it might be worth trying to obtain a copy of these. Second World War: Stirling, J.D.P. The first and the last : the story of the 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards, 1939-1945. London ; Glasgow : Art and Educational Publishers Ltd., 1946. Actions of the 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards, May-June 1940. Dorking : Rowe's, printers, 1941. |
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