Belgium's militaria missing. (Serious thread)

[arneken]

Sometime ago Belgium militarycollectors were shocked. One collector who was away on holiday had almost his entire collection stolen. If someone on the www offers you these objects please report it.

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The list can be found on that forum.(postings littlebelgiansoldier)

we thank you.

[marcus69x]

I don't understand the language so I can't read the list. I feel sorry for the bloke though. I'd be absoutely gutted.

[arneken]

Right Sorry it's all in Dutch.Translation as far as I can translate it . Th is just a small amount of the acutal stolen items.

In the gunsdepartment this was stolen:

BROWNING .30 (serialnumber : 723617)
MG 13, DREYSE (Serialnumber C 579)
M 1 CARABINE(serialnumber 5564506 )
MG 42(serialnumber MV 18391 dib ccc 788 )
"GREASE GUN" M3(Serialnumber 1777591 RIA)
"SCHMEISSER " MP 40(Serialnumber 7567 cos (1546) )
BRENGUN , MK II(serialnumber ASR 9 T 1734 )
BAZOOKA , type M 9 A 1 (rare specimen excellent state)
9 Mills handgranaten M 36
4 German handgrantes (you know those longs ones)

camouflagenet , fabricated by BMB
SA -sportabzeichen
1 big German Hakenkruisvlag (naziflag) , excellent state , marked at the outerliner.

4 American handgranates , type “pineaple”
2 German egg hangranates , yellow
1 German glasmine , complete with lit.
1 German Tellermine model 42 Yellow – brown (color) with text
1 german Tellermine model 43 anti tank , Yellow color

Helmets:

1 M35 , green ,decal Whermacht
1 M35 , blue ,decal Luftwaffe
1 M40 , blue , decal Luftwaffe
1 M40 ,green, decal , Whermacht
1 M40 , blue , camouflage , Luftwaffe
1 M42 , green-brown-yellow camouflage , Whermacht
1 M42 , darkgreen , geen decals , Whermacht
German Parahelmet , yellow oker , met original innerliner

British Parahelmet , green , with camouflagenet , met brown en greene nuts.

[dbf]

Hi Marcus,
I didn't need major lingual skills to understand the major part of the collection that was taken, pretty serious stuff:

BROWNING .30 , watergekoelde mitrailleur , op driepoot ,met volle
> munitiekist en -houder , type 1917 A 1 , serienummer : 723617
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> Machinegeweer , luchtgekoeld , MG 13, DREYSE , met ladertassen en laders ,
> Serienummer C 579 , caliber 8x57 JS
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> Amerikaans, M 1 CARABINE , caliber .30 , met laders en laderhouders aan de
> kolf , serienummer 5564506
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> Duitse mitrailleur , MG 42 , zwarte bakeliet kolf ,
> Op inplooibare tweepikkel , serienummer MV 18391 dib ccc 788
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> Amerikaanse pistoolmitrailleur , "GREASE GUN" M3 , met lader ,
> Serienummer 1777591 RIA
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> Duitse pistoolmitrailleur , "SCHMEISSER " MP 40 ,met lader
> Serienummer 7567 cos (1546)
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> BRENGUN , MK II , INGLIS , met lader , serienummer ASR 9 T 1734
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> ***deze wapens zijn alle demil , de MP 40 is volgens NL norm demil , dwz ,
> het wapen is volledig dichtgelast *****
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> Ook gestolen , Amerikaanse BAZOOKA , type M 9 A 1 , dit is de versie met
> Metalen schoudersteun en tangens vizier , bestaat uit 2 delen die samen
> geschroefd worden , is in prachtige staat -zeldzaam---
>
>
> Een 20 tal laders voor Mp 40
>
> Een 15 tal laders voor STENGUN

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Thats awful. I'm sure it took the guy years to put it together just for some scumbag to take it. Disgraceful.

[arneken]

The guys who took it knew what they were looking for. Several repro stuff was left behind and only real stuff was taken. that makes some people think that the theft comes from inside the collectorsclimate.

[dbf]

Originally Posted by arneken

The guys who took it knew what they were looking for. Several repro stuff was left behind and only real stuff was taken. that makes some people think that the theft comes from inside the collectorsclimate.

Hi,

I was just going to ask if this was suspected. It seems a little strange that he was on holiday when it happened. Someone must have known what he had and maybe if he was going away.

With this in mind, do you think then that anything will ever turn up for sale or is it a nice addition to another's private collection ..?

And the inevitable question, was he insured? [How on earth do you get insurance for this anyway?]
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[Rich Payne]

It's quite a haul, isn't it ? I can't imagine that those Belgian deacts will surface in the UK. Deactivated in Belgium means "probably no longer full auto" doesn't it ?

I expect that the helmets will be chrome-plated and sold to Harley Davidson riders

[arneken]

Originally Posted by dbf

Hi,

I was just going to ask if this was suspected. It seems a little strange that he was on holiday when it happened. Someone must have known what he had and maybe if he was going away.

With this in mind, do you think then that anything will ever turn up for sale or is it a nice addition to another's private collection ..?

And the inevitable question, was he insured? [How on earth do you get insurance for this anyway?]
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The only info I've got right now if from that thread started on that forum.
Seems that they were planning a comeback 'cause they left their tools behind. Internet and the black market are likely to be the place were these items will be solled. maybe no now but within several years. We can only hope that the police and justice do his work.

insured? I tought there was a possibility to insure these things. but don't ask me how. I 'm just a simple kid