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Old 26-07-2005, 05:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I would be most grateful for any help in identifying these men from Saffron Walde, Essex whose names appear on our memorial,
Thank you.
SAFFRON WALDEN - THE SECOND WORLD WAR
Auger A G
Bennet H
Carter R G
Clarke S R
Franett A H W
Golbey G H
Goodwin E W
Hill S
Land C A
Malim H G
Munson R
Neville Hon. G R J
Palmer J
Selly G W
Stoll D
Welch C A
Wells H R
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Old 26-07-2005, 07:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A start might be for you to search the CWGC database at:

For instance:

NEVILLE, The Hon. GEORGE ROBERT LATIMER
Initials: G R L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Ordinary Seaman
Regiment: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Picotee
Age: 21
Date of Death: 12/08/1941
Service No: C/JX219355
Additional information: Younger son of Henry Neville, 7th Baron Braybrooke, M.A., D.L., J.P., and of Dorothy Lady Braybrooke, of Saffron Walden, Essex.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 44, 3.
Cemetery: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

This shows that he appears to have been lost at sea, with no known grave. You now have two lines of further enquiry - his family history (note that his dad was a JP, so probably well established locally) and his ship/date of death.

Please note his initials, though, G R L, not G R J. It might be worth rechecking the spellings.

However, I searched for a couble more of your names and did not find them, so this is only one source. You could also see if the local paper has an archive for the period, or whether you local library does. You then have some reading to do, so I hope that your part of rural Essex only had a local weekly paper at the time. And you could write to the current paper asking relatives to get in touch.

Do you have a local history group? They may have already done all or some of this work, maybe even published some time in the last 60 years. Again, you local library may have local history publications.

As it happens, this is not the type of research I do myself, so I am not expert in doing family history type work. And it is a bit harder for WWII than WWI because less records are open to the public at the National Archive or online.
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Old 27-07-2005, 08:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally posted by angie999@Jul 27 2005, 03:12 AM
A start might be for you to search the CWGC database at:

For instance:

NEVILLE, The Hon. GEORGE ROBERT LATIMER
Initials: G R L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Ordinary Seaman
Regiment: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Picotee
Age: 21
Date of Death: 12/08/1941
Service No: C/JX219355
Additional information: Younger son of Henry Neville, 7th Baron Braybrooke, M.A., D.L., J.P., and of Dorothy Lady Braybrooke, of Saffron Walden, Essex.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 44, 3.
Cemetery: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

This shows that he appears to have been lost at sea, with no known grave. You now have two lines of further enquiry - his family history (note that his dad was a JP, so probably well established locally) and his ship/date of death.

Please note his initials, though, G R L, not G R J. It might be worth rechecking the spellings.

However, I searched for a couble more of your names and did not find them, so this is only one source. You could also see if the local paper has an archive for the period, or whether you local library does. You then have some reading to do, so I hope that your part of rural Essex only had a local weekly paper at the time. And you could write to the current paper asking relatives to get in touch.

Do you have a local history group? They may have already done all or some of this work, maybe even published some time in the last 60 years. Again, you local library may have local history publications.

As it happens, this is not the type of research I do myself, so I am not expert in doing family history type work. And it is a bit harder for WWII than WWI because less records are open to the public at the National Archive or online.

I hope you don't get better at it or you won't have time to make or answer any posts.
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Old 27-07-2005, 04:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Angie,
Thank you for all this information, wonderful,
Bob
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Old 27-07-2005, 10:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Albert Auger Pte 5779518
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Stanley Clarke Bombardier 838446
Eric Goodwin Pte 6016185
Robert Munson Pte 6095662
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Old 28-07-2005, 02:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Doug,
THat's great, thank you.
Some don't seem from CWGC to have any obvios connection with Saffron Walde, so I'll have to research further. YOur help is greatly appreciated,
Bob
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