Gebirgsjäger Division

dbf · 27-04-2008, 10:45 AM

Gebirgsjäger Division

Hello,
Would be interested in finding out more about above, in particular the 4.Gebirgsjäger Division from 1943 onwards.

Anyone got any recommendations as to books, sites etc? Have already found a site which lists engagement history etc, but looking for something with a little more flesh on it.

4.Gebirgsjäger Division http://www.gebirgsjaeger.4mg.com/4gebdiv.htm

If there is nothing specific to recommend, can any one thing of a good background resource to Kuban bridgehead etc?

Nothing would be too basic in my case. Absolute beginner.

Thanks,
dbf

Bodston · 28-04-2008, 08:38 AM

The only book I have on the elite Gebirgsjäger is an Osprey published book in their Warrior series, #74. Written by Gordon Williamson. It is typical of that style, basic information on recruitment, training, deployment and awards. Well illustrated with a good breakdown of the specialist equipment the cadre carried.
You already have all of the information pertinent to 4 Gebirgs Div from this book from our earlier communication Di.

dbf · 28-04-2008, 09:20 AM

Hi,
Thanks, before I checked with you know I tried to find more about the Divisions. That is, I wanted to know why they were formed and what training the men underwent, why they were considered an elite, or specialists, to get an idea of what it was like for someone to be serving. I would have liked to have an idea about why someone would have ended up in this particular unit.

Obviously I have googled like mad to find photos, but none seem to be attributed to the 4. Div. I was kind of hoping there was something along the lines of a unit history with photos of the men in action etc.. Failing that a good informative book about the actions in which the Div. took part would be great to get a bigger picture.

You know I am interested in late 1943 onwards and why it is important to me. I hope there are other books out there which would be recommended for my needs, so that I do not waste money on something of little relevance or help.

Thanks again for your help and confirmation, for the reply and the name of the book. Appreciate it very much.
Diane

Owen · 28-04-2008, 10:07 AM

A tiny bit more info.
4th Gebirgsjager Division

Similar info auf Deutsch.
Lexikon der Wehrmacht - 4. Gebirgs-Division
Click on each unit (in blue) and their is a whole load of info in German with maps too.

Gotthard Heinrici · 28-04-2008, 10:30 AM

Good info on the Division lads. It just occured to me reading Owens first link, that there were divisions in the Wehrmacht who were solely involved in the East and never faced the Allies on the Western Front.

Owen · 28-04-2008, 10:50 AM

A map showing location of 49 Korps which 4 Gebirgs Div was part of.
Units all marked in Russian but I can see where they are on this one.
http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/m...us/taman43.jpg
49 czn & 4 czd

I hope I'm right. Russians speaker feel free to correct me.

dbf · 28-04-2008, 12:21 PM

Thanks to all for your contributions towards my education.

Owen thanks for the map. I gave up in frustration once trying to navigate my way around that site. If you don't know what you're looking for ... a little difficult.

Cheers,
Diane

dbf · 02-05-2008, 11:53 AM

A belated thanks to Arthur for his kind reply and info. Much appreciated

dbf

27-04-2008, 10:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 805	Gebirgsjäger Division Gebirgsjäger Division Hello, Would be interested in finding out more about above, in particular the 4.Gebirgsjäger Division from 1943 onwards. Anyone got any recommendations as to books, sites etc? Have already found a site which lists engagement history etc, but looking for something with a little more flesh on it. 4.Gebirgsjäger Division http://www.gebirgsjaeger.4mg.com/4gebdiv.htm If there is nothing specific to recommend, can any one thing of a good background resource to Kuban bridgehead etc? Nothing would be too basic in my case. Absolute beginner. Thanks, dbf

28-04-2008, 08:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bodston Very Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just around the corner Posts: 1,348	The only book I have on the elite Gebirgsjäger is an Osprey published book in their Warrior series, #74. Written by Gordon Williamson. It is typical of that style, basic information on recruitment, training, deployment and awards. Well illustrated with a good breakdown of the specialist equipment the cadre carried. You already have all of the information pertinent to 4 Gebirgs Div from this book from our earlier communication Di. __________________ My mother told me, I never should, play with the gypsies in the wood. Last edited by Bodston; 29-04-2008 at 10:15 PM.

28-04-2008, 10:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,065	A tiny bit more info. 4th Gebirgsjager Division Similar info auf Deutsch. Lexikon der Wehrmacht - 4. Gebirgs-Division Click on each unit (in blue) and their is a whole load of info in German with maps too. Last edited by Owen; 28-04-2008 at 10:16 AM.

28-04-2008, 10:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,699	Good info on the Division lads. It just occured to me reading Owens first link, that there were divisions in the Wehrmacht who were solely involved in the East and never faced the Allies on the Western Front. __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

28-04-2008, 10:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Owen Top Moose Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Under the stairs Posts: 9,065	A map showing location of 49 Korps which 4 Gebirgs Div was part of. Units all marked in Russian but I can see where they are on this one. http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/m...us/taman43.jpg 49 czn & 4 czd I hope I'm right. Russians speaker feel free to correct me. Last edited by Owen; 28-04-2008 at 10:56 AM.

28-04-2008, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 805	Hi, Thanks, before I checked with you know I tried to find more about the Divisions. That is, I wanted to know why they were formed and what training the men underwent, why they were considered an elite, or specialists, to get an idea of what it was like for someone to be serving. I would have liked to have an idea about why someone would have ended up in this particular unit. Obviously I have googled like mad to find photos, but none seem to be attributed to the 4. Div. I was kind of hoping there was something along the lines of a unit history with photos of the men in action etc.. Failing that a good informative book about the actions in which the Div. took part would be great to get a bigger picture. You know I am interested in late 1943 onwards and why it is important to me. I hope there are other books out there which would be recommended for my needs, so that I do not waste money on something of little relevance or help. Thanks again for your help and confirmation, for the reply and the name of the book. Appreciate it very much. Diane

28-04-2008, 12:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 805	Thanks to all for your contributions towards my education. Owen thanks for the map. I gave up in frustration once trying to navigate my way around that site. If you don't know what you're looking for ... a little difficult. Cheers, Diane

02-05-2008, 11:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 805	A belated thanks to Arthur for his kind reply and info. Much appreciated dbf __________________ "But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint." E Burke

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