Irish Guards, 3 Bn. War Diary, June 1944 - - Page 6

dbf · 07-07-2008, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belville

Have you any mention in the War Diary of Captain Henry Fitzherbert, 2nd, Btn., k.i.a. 2nd April, 1945? I have read the account in D.J.L. Fitzgerald's History of the Irish Guards in WW II, but would like to know if there is anything further about Capt. Fitzherbert.
Belville

Belville,
Have PM'd you.

Diane

Philip,ABRG · 09-08-2008, 09:06 PM

He D Bergen op Zoom graves are on its way

Philip,ABRG · 10-08-2008, 05:44 PM

Today I went to Hoek van Holland and S`Gravenzande

Tom Canning · 10-08-2008, 08:26 PM

dfb-
just a few pages into this - as Von Poop says - a monumental effort of detail and work which outlines many of the difficulties of a first class unit in a battle of so many difficulties which reiterates Urghuarts query " did everyone give it 100% ?

dbf · 11-08-2008, 01:01 AM

Hi Tom,

As a veteran your opinion is especially appreciated. My father is rather surprised about the interest I have shown. Don't know why though, I have been listening to him for over 40 years now. I spent my 'down time' this week reading up a bit more on the other Regiments serving alongside. Hope to get up some more info on the other IG bns. as soon as I can.

I get rather depressed about the old OMG 'debate', references to Guards' tea breaks, ponderous formations, unwillingness to take casualties et al, and how it seems to overshadow everything else. Whilst I also prefer not to get bogged down in the what ifs which pop up occasionally, asking why is perfectly natural. The War Diary and the History etc are a great starting point. Any novice who, like me, has an interest and wishes to really learn beyond the veneer, should first look at the casualty stats and ask themselves what that means ...

Below are two lads from my Dad's training squad who didn't make it home. One aged 19 killed at Sourdeval on 11 Aug 44, the other aged 20 killed in Holland on 21 Sept 44 and whom my father buried alongside other Micks from the 2nd Bn. who were also killed that day. I think they gave it 100%. Stories about men like these are the ones that are rarely told. They didn't get any recommendations for medals, nor were they mentioned in despatches; their names do not appear in the WD, nor were their letters home published. Admittedly I am priviledged to have heard from my father about the men he fought alongside; yet some watch a movie and are satisfied with those accounts. What a pity.

Thanks again for taking the time to read and for your comment.

Regards,
Diane

Mostonian · 04-09-2008, 12:25 AM

I have two pictures of Guardsmen's graves named on page one. Please do with these as you see fit. Superb work lads.
Guardsman RM Owtram 2722863 RIP 15.2.45
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...rbosCWGC35.jpg

Lance Serjeant WJ McKibbin 2720351 RIP 19.9.44
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...burg-CWGC3.jpg

I'll have a look through my pictures for any more if you'd like.

dbf · 04-09-2008, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mostonian

I have two pictures of Guardsmen's graves named on page one. Please do with these as you see fit. Superb work lads.

I'll have a look through my pictures for any more if you'd like.

Mostonian, much appreciated. I will update my records. Any further help would be great. Not all up yet. This deals mostly with 3bn. Have others in same cemeteries for 2bn. and am currently preparing 1bn lists.
Cheers,
d

MarkM · 29-09-2008, 04:11 PM

I found this thread a while ago but just got round to reading it again. My grandfather Fredrick Mullett was in the 3rd Battalion and it's great to find such a detailed account of those times. He went on to join the Army Commandos and the Palestine Police Force.

Here's some medals I'm sure he wont mind me showing you

dbf · 29-09-2008, 04:45 PM

Hello Mark, welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy it here.

Great to hear from someone who has also has a connection with 3bn. Nice to see your grandfather's medals, must be very proud of him. Do you have any photos of him you could put up? I am always keen to see squad photos too.

Do you know much about your grandfather's service, about when he joined etc.?
Would be great if you could share some stories you may have.

Just out of curiosity, the ribbons seem to have gotten a little muddled over the years, but what is the one on the 39-45 Star? Ministry of Defence | Defence For... | Veterans | Medals | War Medal

Regards,
Diane

MarkM · 29-09-2008, 05:20 PM

Next time I'm home in Dublin I'll ask him.

11-08-2008, 01:01 AM	#55 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 947	Hi Tom, As a veteran your opinion is especially appreciated. My father is rather surprised about the interest I have shown. Don't know why though, I have been listening to him for over 40 years now. I spent my 'down time' this week reading up a bit more on the other Regiments serving alongside. Hope to get up some more info on the other IG bns. as soon as I can. I get rather depressed about the old OMG 'debate', references to Guards' tea breaks, ponderous formations, unwillingness to take casualties et al, and how it seems to overshadow everything else. Whilst I also prefer not to get bogged down in the what ifs which pop up occasionally, asking why is perfectly natural. The War Diary and the History etc are a great starting point. Any novice who, like me, has an interest and wishes to really learn beyond the veneer, should first look at the casualty stats and ask themselves what that means ... Below are two lads from my Dad's training squad who didn't make it home. One aged 19 killed at Sourdeval on 11 Aug 44, the other aged 20 killed in Holland on 21 Sept 44 and whom my father buried alongside other Micks from the 2nd Bn. who were also killed that day. I think they gave it 100%. Stories about men like these are the ones that are rarely told. They didn't get any recommendations for medals, nor were they mentioned in despatches; their names do not appear in the WD, nor were their letters home published. Admittedly I am priviledged to have heard from my father about the men he fought alongside; yet some watch a movie and are satisfied with those accounts. What a pity. Thanks again for taking the time to read and for your comment. Regards, Diane __________________ But where our desires are and our hopes profound, Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight, To the innermost heart of their own land they are known As the stars are known to the Night

04-09-2008, 12:25 AM	#56 (permalink)
Mostonian Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Manchester, England. Posts: 87	I have two pictures of Guardsmen's graves named on page one. Please do with these as you see fit. Superb work lads. Guardsman RM Owtram 2722863 RIP 15.2.45 http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...rbosCWGC35.jpg Lance Serjeant WJ McKibbin 2720351 RIP 19.9.44 http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...burg-CWGC3.jpg I'll have a look through my pictures for any more if you'd like. __________________ All comments/corrections welcomed: http://www.bujold.co.uk A record of my battlefield visits. Normandy, Market Garden, Ypres, the Somme and coming soon The Ardennes Offensive.

29-09-2008, 04:45 PM	#59 (permalink)
dbf Silly old moo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Co Down, Northern Ireland Posts: 947	Hello Mark, welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy it here. Great to hear from someone who has also has a connection with 3bn. Nice to see your grandfather's medals, must be very proud of him. Do you have any photos of him you could put up? I am always keen to see squad photos too. Do you know much about your grandfather's service, about when he joined etc.? Would be great if you could share some stories you may have. Just out of curiosity, the ribbons seem to have gotten a little muddled over the years, but what is the one on the 39-45 Star? Ministry of Defence \| Defence For... \| Veterans \| Medals \| War Medal Regards, Diane __________________ But where our desires are and our hopes profound, Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight, To the innermost heart of their own land they are known As the stars are known to the Night

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Philip,ABRG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 780	He D Bergen op Zoom graves are on its way

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Tom Canning WW2 Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 657	dfb- just a few pages into this - as Von Poop says - a monumental effort of detail and work which outlines many of the difficulties of a first class unit in a battle of so many difficulties which reiterates Urghuarts query " did everyone give it 100% ?

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MarkM Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2	I found this thread a while ago but just got round to reading it again. My grandfather Fredrick Mullett was in the 3rd Battalion and it's great to find such a detailed account of those times. He went on to join the Army Commandos and the Palestine Police Force. Here's some medals I'm sure he wont mind me showing you

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