The perfect fox hole?

sapper · 21-02-2008, 06:17 PM

There is one law that is supreme in active areas.... it is "Dig or Die" Above ground you do not stand a cat in hells chance. So that raises this question.
Every now and again we would find perfectly round holes sufficient for a man to stand up in, And deep enough not to be seen.
The holes could never have been dug by hand, they were too perfectly round and the edges quite regular and smooth.

We often came across these holes, and there was never any "Spoil" from the digging, We never found out how these holes were made? by who? and for what reason?
Sapper

40th Alabama · 21-02-2008, 07:00 PM

These are common in Florida and are referred to as sink holes. The limestone substrata is dissolved over the years by the ground water, and if the water table falls, the structural support for the soil is removed and the ground just falls in. These holes can be a few meters across or can envelop a house. Maybe the same forces are at work there.

Jaeger · 21-02-2008, 08:04 PM

We have the same phenomenom in the summer pastures for our cows. I remember when I was about ten years old a sheep had fallen into one of these (there are two to my knowledge) and by grandfather lowered me into it so I could help the sheep out.

sapper · 21-02-2008, 10:18 PM

You are way off lads, these hoiles were produced for a purpose.
Sapper

marcus69x · 22-02-2008, 09:16 AM

I remember you mentioning these on another thread before brian. Can't remember which thread it was now though. Very strange indeed. Do you have any idea what they were for? Sounds like they were made by some digger machine or something.

4th wilts · 22-02-2008, 10:47 AM

gun positions,for stopping recoil on certain older guns,christ knows.yours,lee.

sapper · 22-02-2008, 11:09 AM

They look machined made Lee, Nothing to do with weapons.,Just large enough for a man to stand up in. We never came across a machine that would do the job???

It is a complete mystery.
Sapper

4th wilts · 22-02-2008, 11:12 AM

my mate told me the germans in normandy made terrific foxholes,trench systems,cut deep foxholes and trenches actually inside hedges.the area was much like home,small fields,orchards and high hedges,just like around westrop and easton,in wiltshire.yours,4th wilts.

Paul Reed · 22-02-2008, 11:16 AM

Out of interest, where was this Brian - France or Holland?

Gotthard Heinrici · 22-02-2008, 11:52 AM

It certainly sounds intriguing Brian. where they part of enemy positions that you had taken or were they behind Allied Lines?

21-02-2008, 06:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,438	The perfect fox hole? There is one law that is supreme in active areas.... it is "Dig or Die" Above ground you do not stand a cat in hells chance. So that raises this question. Every now and again we would find perfectly round holes sufficient for a man to stand up in, And deep enough not to be seen. The holes could never have been dug by hand, they were too perfectly round and the edges quite regular and smooth. We often came across these holes, and there was never any "Spoil" from the digging, We never found out how these holes were made? by who? and for what reason? Sapper

21-02-2008, 07:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
40th Alabama Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 96	These are common in Florida and are referred to as sink holes. The limestone substrata is dissolved over the years by the ground water, and if the water table falls, the structural support for the soil is removed and the ground just falls in. These holes can be a few meters across or can envelop a house. Maybe the same forces are at work there. __________________ "If you surrender, you will be treated as prisoners of war, but if I have to storm your works, you may expect no quarter." Nathan Bedford Forrest

22-02-2008, 11:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Paul Reed Ubique Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK/France Posts: 2,854	Out of interest, where was this Brian - France or Holland? __________________ The WW2 Society: Remembering those from Britain & The Commonwealth who served 1939-45 - http://www.battlefieldsww2.50megs.com/ww2_society.htm

22-02-2008, 11:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Gotthard Heinrici Ostfront is where its at! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,495	It certainly sounds intriguing Brian. where they part of enemy positions that you had taken or were they behind Allied Lines? __________________ *"The Eastern front is like a house of cards. If the front is broken through at one point all the rest will collapse."* - General Heinz Guderian "With amazement and disappointment, we discovered in late October and early November that the beaten Russians seemed quite unaware that as a military force they had almost ceased to exist." - General Blumentritt "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen me fight so hard." Lieutenant General Wilhelm Bittrich - Commander of II SS Panzer Korps - (Commenting on the British Paratroopers at Arnhem) - September 1944 "Had Clark given more heed to Juin's views...the savage battles of Cassino would probably never have been fought and the venerable house of St Benedict would have been unscathed" Rudolf Böhmler - 1st Fallschirmjäger Division - 1944 (After the bombing of Monte Cassino)

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21-02-2008, 08:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jaeger Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 58	We have the same phenomenom in the summer pastures for our cows. I remember when I was about ten years old a sheep had fallen into one of these (there are two to my knowledge) and by grandfather lowered me into it so I could help the sheep out.

21-02-2008, 10:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,438	You are way off lads, these hoiles were produced for a purpose. Sapper

22-02-2008, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough, UK Posts: 1,362	I remember you mentioning these on another thread before brian. Can't remember which thread it was now though. Very strange indeed. Do you have any idea what they were for? Sounds like they were made by some digger machine or something.

22-02-2008, 10:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	gun positions,for stopping recoil on certain older guns,christ knows.yours,lee.

22-02-2008, 11:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
sapper WW2 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,438	They look machined made Lee, Nothing to do with weapons.,Just large enough for a man to stand up in. We never came across a machine that would do the job??? It is a complete mystery. Sapper

22-02-2008, 11:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
4th wilts Discharged Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wessex Posts: 1,043	my mate told me the germans in normandy made terrific foxholes,trench systems,cut deep foxholes and trenches actually inside hedges.the area was much like home,small fields,orchards and high hedges,just like around westrop and easton,in wiltshire.yours,4th wilts.

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