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Old 25-03-2008, 04:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Japan Really Lost The War!!!!

Why Japan Really Lost The War

From: Grim Economic Realities
Introduction

It's no secret that Japan was, shall we say, 'economically disadvantaged' in her ability to wage war against the Allies. However, the sheer, stunning magnitude of this economic disparity has never ceased to amaze me. So, just to give you an idea of the magnitude of the mismatch here, I decided to compile a few statistics. Most of them are taken from Paul Kennedy's "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" (which, among other things, contains an excellent analysis of the economic forces at work in World War II, and is an all-around great book) and John Ellis' "World War II: A Statistical Survey." In this comparison I will focus primarily on the two chief antagonists in the Pacific War: Japan and the United States. They say that economics is the 'Dismal Science'; you're about to see why....
Overview
By the time World War II began to rear it's ugly head (formally in 1939 in Poland, informally in China in 1937), America had been in the grips of the Great Depression for a decade, give or take. The net effect of the Depression was to introduce a lot of 'slack' into the U.S. economy. Many U.S. workers were either unemployed (10 million in 1939) or underemployed, and our industrial base as a whole had far more capacity than was needed at the time. In economic terms, our 'Capacity Utilization' (CapU), was pretty darn low. To an outside culture, particularly a militaristic one such as Japan's, America certainly might have appeared to be 'soft' and unprepared for a major war. Further, Japan's successes in fighting far larger opponents (Russia in the early 1900's, and China in the 1930's) and the fact that Japan's own economy was practically 'superheating' (mostly as the result of unhealthy levels of military spending -- 28% of national income in 1937) probably filled the Japanese with a misplaced sense of economic and military superiority over their large overseas foe. However, a dispassionate observer would also note a few important facts. America, even in the midst of seemingly interminable economic doldrums, still had:

xx Nearly twice the population of Japan.
xx Seventeen time's Japan's national income.
xx Five times more steel production.
xx Seven times more coal production.
xx Eighty (80) times the automobile production.

Furthermore, America had some hidden advantages that didn't show up directly in production figures. For one, U.S. factories were, on average, more modern and automated than those in Europe or in Japan. Additionally, American managerial practice at that time was the best in the world. Taken in combination, the per capita productivity of the American worker was the highest in the world. Furthermore, the United States was more than willing to utilize American women in the war effort: a tremendous advantage for us, and a concept which the Axis Powers seem not to have grasped until very late in the conflict. The net effect of all these factors meant that even in the depths of the Depression, American war-making potential was still around seven times larger than Japan's, and had the 'slack' been taken out in 1939, it was closer to nine or ten times as great! In fact, according to Kennedy, a breakdown of total global war making potential in 1937 looks something like this:

Country % of Total Warmaking Potential
United States
41.7%
Germany
14.4%
USSR
14.0%
UK
10.2%
France 4.2%
Japan 3.5%
Italy
2.5%
Seven Powers (total)
(90.5%)
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Old 25-03-2008, 04:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Country % of Total Warmaking Potential
United States 41.7%
Germany 14.4%
USSR 14.0%
UK 10.2%
France 4.2%
Japan 3.5%
Italy 2.5%
Seven Powers (total) (90.5%)
It takes the next four powers combined (and two are unoccupied allies), to equal the United States productivity (actually exceeding it slightly). So many of the "How-can-we-make-Germany-win" types seem to neglect this aspect.
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Old 25-03-2008, 05:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yamamoto knew it!

All we have done is wake the sleeping giant!

Their industrial might is awesome!
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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It takes the next four powers combined (and two are unoccupied allies), to equal the United States productivity (actually exceeding it slightly). So many of the "How-can-we-make-Germany-win" types seem to neglect this aspect.
I'm always amused by the fact that the 'How-can-we-make-Germany-win' brigade tend to make the same mistakes as Germany did such as lack of consideration of economics & logistics & assuming that everything hinged on one battle & if they could just have won it by better tactics then they'd have won the war.
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I'm always amused by the fact that the 'How-can-we-make-Germany-win' brigade tend to make the same mistakes as Germany did such as lack of consideration of economics & logistics & assuming that everything hinged on one battle & if they could just have won it by better tactics then they'd have won the war.
You mean if Rommel had beaten Montgomery at Alamein then it would have been all for nothing??
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Nihon Kaigun great link covering the IJN and a good addition to the link offered by
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Nice link HP. Have it bookmarked!
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I dont think superior power and manpower are just enough to win a war. The Soviets were inmensely numerically and industrialy superior to the Finnish, yet in the Russian- Finnish war the victory was Phyrric.

In Vietnam war the strengh of the U.S army was inmensely superior to the ones of the V.C and The Army of North Vietnam, yet they lost the war.

In Iraq its the same and The U.S is loosing the war...
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Germany COULD have won, yet it made many mistakes.

Naming this errors now is nonsense, everyone knows them.
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I dont think superior power and manpower are just enough to win a war. The Soviets were inmensely numerically and industrialy superior to the Finnish, yet in the Russian- Finnish war the victory was Phyrric.

In Vietnam war the strengh of the U.S army was inmensely superior to the ones of the V.C and The Army of North Vietnam, yet they lost the war.

In Iraq its the same and The U.S is loosing the war...
Not wishing to drag this into a Vietnam discussion, the US military did not lose the war, the public lost it's will to fight. Had LBJ allowed the war to be prosecuted early on as it could have (note, I did not say "should"), the war could have ended differently.
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