LUFTWAFFE ACES: List of Pilots with 100+ 'Kills' + Notes.

[Christos]

Good Evening!.......Tonight, as a service to the site files, I present to you this list of Luftwaffe Pilots with over 100 'kills' to their credit.....a few notes to begin, but basically this list will be added to as we go, for pilots with 50- 100 claims, and we will list, with your help, whether these pilots flew day or night, and the principle aircraft that these missions were flown in....but thats later, and another article away....for now, have a look at the list. If you find something that's not 'kosher', drop in and tell us! Thats what history, and particularly this website, is all about.....

For you're information then...............enjoy, and I hope you find a use for this in some manner.


The LUFTWAFFE FIGHTER ACES: Victory Scores ......................from "The Lufwaffe Data Book" by Dr. Alfred Price


Over the years there has been controversy, much of it ill informed, concerning the validity of German fighter aces victory claims. Major Erich Hartmann, top scorer in the Luftwaffe, is credited with 352 victories; 35 German pilots are credited with claim totals exceeding 150. On the other hand, Group Captain 'Johnny' Johnson, the RAF top-scorer in the late-war period is credited with 'only' 38 victories; Major Richard I. ('Bing') Bong the top-scoring U.S. Army Air-Force's pilot, is credited with 40, and Guards Colonel Ivan Kozhedub, the top-scoring Soviet pilot is credited with 62. If the German pilots victory claims are accurate, WHY was there such a great disparity in the claims of the different nations' pilots? Were the top-scoring fighter aces REALLY 8 or 9 times as good as those of Allied Air Forces?
This author has no evidence that the top German fighter pilots were any better than their Allied counterparts. The main difference between them was that German pilots had greater opportunities to amass larger scores- if they survived long enough. During the early part of the war the Luftwaffe often went into action against opponents with inferior training and equipment, and these opponents suffered accordingly. The days of the 'easy' victories soon passed, however, and from the beginning of 1943 the Luftwaffe faced a hard fight on all fronts. To survive for any length of time against numerically superior enemy forces, a German pilot needed to be good......and he needed to be LUCKY. For those who knew their business, however, there were usually plenty of aircraft to pick off.
Another important factor that assisted German pilots to amass large scores was that they did not fly limited 'tours' of combat duty like those in the RAF or the USAAF. Take the top scorer, Erich Hartmann, who joined JG-52 on the Eastern Front in October 1942. He flew on 'ops' almost continually from then until the end of the war, with only short breaks for leave. By the end of October 1943 his score had reached 148 and in March 1944 it passed the 200 mark. He flew more than 800 operational missions, an average of nearly one per day over a 2 and 1/2 year period, and on average gained a victory every 2.5 sorties. No British or American pilot was allowed to fly combat missions for such a long period without a break. At the peak of their scoring careers there were several Allied fighter pilots who achieved victories at the same rate as Hartmann. However, none did so for more than a few months before being sent on a 'rest' tour.
Some writers have suggested that Dr. Goebbels propaganda service inflated the victory claims of individual pilots. This author has studied these claims in detail and can assert with confidence that this was NOT the case. The Germans were nothing if not good bureaucrats. Before a victory claim was 'confirmed' it underwent rigorous checking by the ABSCHUSSKOMMISSION (the Commission for Adjudication of Victory Claims). NO claim was even considered unless there was an independant witness of the action. or the wrecked enemy aircraft that appeared to link with the claim. If the action took place over German-held territory and no wreck was found, a pilot would have considerable difficulty getting the victory confirmed. No credit was given for shared or probable victories. If more than one fighter had engaged the enemy aircraft shot down, the pilot judged to have played the major part in it's destruction recieved credit.
That is not to say that EVERY German pilot's victory score was 100% accurate. The Abschusskommission was not perfect. Sometimes mistakes were made, and all air forces had some pilots who claimed dishonestly in action. But the German organisation was as effective as could be expected in time of war, and it was more thorough than ANY conterpart run by the Allies.
To sum up, the German fighter pilot's victories were recorded as accurately as could be expected- and certainly more accurate than British or American counterparts. The German Pilot's scores were higher than those of other air forces because they had greater opportunities to achieve victories, and they spent much longer periods on front-line operations.

SO, to the list..............one thing WE CAN DO (which the original author did not), is to further divide this list into EASTERN FRONT....and WESTERN FRONT........IT IS a matter of historical record that pilots GENERALLY were NOT serving on both fronts. Galland in "The First and The Last" mentions experiments conducted by the Luftwaffe into giving Eastern pilots a 'go' at operations in the West, and what a disaster it was due to the differing operational and emotional conditions that prevailed on either front.....So the practice was DISCONTINUED and pilots became EITHER East or West front 'regulars'.
Just for now, I'll give you the list as is, and then do a little research into this. Obvious ones like Galland (ALL 104 victories in the West) and Hartmann (all in East) will be easy to track....Other pilots not so.....Firstly, the colours this time mean.....

Western pilots totals in BLUE,
Eastern in RED,
BROWN will denote questionable totals based on soiled figures,
Gold for Condor Legion veterans notes
with African and Mediterranean confirmations in Khaki
and Polish notes should there be any in Grey.
and Cherry red for casualty notes...bold blue will be for notes of any other kind

LUFTWAFFE PILOTS CREDITED WITH MORE THAN 100 VICTORIES.

Hauptmann Erich Hartmann..............352....All in East, Me109.
Major Gerhard Barkhorn..................301...West
Major Gunther Rall..........................275.......East
Oberleutnant Otto Kittel...................267.......East
Major Walter Nowotny***...............258.......East( Me109), ***West (Me262)
Major Wilhelm Batz........................237.......East
Major Erich Rudorffer......................222.......East
Oberleutnant Heinrich Bar....................220
Oberst Hermann Graf.........................212
Major Theodor Weissenburger............208
Oberleutnant Hans Philipp...................206
Oberleutnant Walter Schuck................206
Major Heinrich Ehrler.........................204
Oberleutnant Anton Hafner.................204
Hauptmann Helmut Lipfert.................203
Major Walter Krupinski......................197
Major Anton Hackl............................193
Hauptmann Joachin Brendal..............189
Hauptmann Max Stotz.......................189
Hauptmann Joachim Kirschner...........188
Major Kurt Brandle...........................180
Oberleutnant Gunther Josten.............178
Oberst Johannes Steinhoff***..........176....West and Mediterranean..Me109,(** Me262.)
Oberleutnant Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert......174
Hauptmann Gunther Schack..................174
Hauptmann Emil Lang..........................173
Hauptmann Hienz Schmidt...................173
Major Horst Ademeit..........................166
Oberst Wolf-Deitrich Wilcke................162
Hauptmann Hans-Joachim Marseille.....158......Western Theater and Africa, Me109.
Hauptmann Heinrich Sturm..................158
Oberleutnant Gerhard Thyben..............157
Oberleutnant Hans Beisswenger..........152
Leutnant Peter Duttmann...................152
Oberst Gordon Gollob........................150(**First confirmed 2nd September,Poland, ***the first of the 100+ to do so in Poland)
Leutnant Fritz Tegtmeier....................146
Oberleutnant Albin Wolf......................144
Leutnant Kurt Tanzer.........................143
Oberleutnant Freiderich-Karl Muller.....140
Leutnant Karl Gratz...........................138
Major Heinrich Setz...........................138
Hauptmann Franz Schall.....................137
Hauptmann Rudolf Trenkel.................137
Oberst Adolf Dickfeld........................136
Hauptmann Horst-Gunther von Fassong......136
Oberleutnant Otto Fonnekold......................136
Hauptmann Karl-Heinz Weber....................136
Major Joachim Muncheburg.......................135
Oberleutnant Hans Waldmann...................134
Major Johans Wiese.................................133
Alfred Grislawski......................................13 3
Major Adolf Borchers................................132
Major Erwin Clausen................................132(**First score 9th Sept.39, Poland, as a Feldwebel!)
Hauptmann Wilhelm Lemke.......................131
Oberst Herbert Ihlefeld............................130
Oberleutnant Heinrich Steer......................130
Major Franz Eisenach..............................129
Oberst Walther Dahl...............................128
Hauptmann Franz Dorr.............................128
Leutnant Rudi Rademacher......................126
Oberleutnant Josef Zwernemann..............126 (**First score Sept 9th'39, Poland, as a Leutnant)
Leutnant Gerhard Hoffmann....................125
Oberst Dietrich Hrabak...........................125
Oberst Walter Oesau.............................125
Oberleutnant Wolf Ettal..........................124
Hauptmann Wolfgang Tonne...................122
Fj. Oberfeldwebel Heinz Marquardt..........121
Major Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufe.............121
Hauptmann Robert Weiss.......................121
Oberleutnant Freiderich Oblese...............120
Oberleutnant Erich Leie..........................118
Leutnant Franz Josef Beeren..................117
Leutnant Hans-Joachim Bir....................117
Leutnant Jacob Norz..............................117
Leutnant Heinz Wernicke.......................117
Oberleutnant August Lam......................116
Oberst Werner Molders........................115 (**Condor Legion 14 confirmed (x11 I-16s, x3 I-15s , x1 unconfirmed I-16...'Daddy' Molders is unquestionably the highest profile pilot to emerge from Spain. His ideas for the use of fighters recieved widespread use , He achieved 'ace' staus on the* 23/8/38, with his first kill listed as the 15th of that month, which is very fast for a new arrival, ...but the be fair, he WAS using the Bf109B EXCLUSIVELY. Condor service is divided into two periods for the Legion...the period when they were equipped with obselete Heinkel 51 Biplane fighters, and the second period, the arrival of the 109s to clear Iberian skys of Polikarpov 1-15s and I-16 'ratas', to which "Dad" kindly showed the way with his total score the best of the Condor Legion pilots. The Condor Legion claimed a total of 313 confirmed victories in Spain with another 53 known but unconfirmed for a total of 386 enemy machines destroyed.)
Leutnant Wihelm Crinius..................114
Major Werner Schroer......................114
Leutnant Hans Dammers.................113
Leutnant Berthold Korts...................113
Oberleutnant Kurt Buhligen...............112
Oberst Helmut Lent........................110
Oberleutnant Franz Woidich.............110
Major Kurt Ubben...........................110
Major Reinhard Seiler.....................109
Hauptmann Emil Bitsch...................108
Major Hans Hahn...........................108
Oberst Gunther Lutzow..................108
Oberleutnant Bernhard Vechtel........108
Oberst Victor Bauer........................106
Hauptmann Werner Lucas...............106
Generalleutnant Adolf Galland**....104......All in West...Me 109, Me 262.(Condor Legion**Poor Galland spent his time in Spain watching his brother squadrons in the fighter arm get all the modern equipment and all the publicity. Galland was posted to the Condor Legion as somebody with 'close support' experience, presumably the first warm body that the Luftwaffe could find to specialize in this service...The Stuka had not arrived yet so German close support consisted of HS-129 Biplanes with strengthened cockpit casings for low level work. He was successful as a squadron leader in Spain, where he aquired his 'Mickey Mouse' emblem from one of the original three squadrons of the Condor Legion. His requests for transfer to fighters, for the time being, went unheeded.....more later on Galland..)
Leutnant Heinz Sachsenberg..........104
Major Hartmann Grasser...............103
Major Siegried Freytag..................102
Hauptmann Friedrich Geishardt......102(***First score Poland 9 Sept, '39...)
Oberleutnant Egan Mayer..............102
Oberleutnant Max-Hellmuth Ostermann.....102
Oberleutnant Herbert Rollwage.................102....???...Total in question..(thanks to site-user Erich!)New total for Rollwage to be posted soon...I'm just going to embark on my own long search through the links so kindly provided, and before long we will have a very accurate list of ALL ACES (pilots with 5 credits or more.)
Major Josef Wurmheller...........................102
Hauptmann Rudolf Miethig........................101
Oberst Josef Priller..................................101...Wes t
Ulrich Wernitz.........................................10 1


AS THEY HAPPENED............Day by Day Totals From the first Day to Day 17 of the Polish Campaign 1939.

POLAND.....1 September, 1939......The Polish campaign for the Luftwaffe lasts just 17 days. Operations up to this point have claims ranging the length of the Reich, but these claims taper off on the 17th. Two things were happening at this stage of the Polish fighting which rendered the campaign essentially over in this 17 day period....Warsaw was surrounded by the 15th of September, and on the 17th Molotov declared that the Polish government had "ceased to exist". German troops also occupy Brest-Litovsk, AND the Polish government resign and take refuge, all on the 17th. Luftwaffe claims taper off for 3 days, and reappear on a different front.....the West, which will be next...
For now, here are the figures and claims, plus notes , for the first 17 day period.

SEPTEMBER 1ST:Ten pilots have 13 confirmed.
Uffr. Heinz DETTMER...P-24/..Obif. Albrecht DREZ...P-24/...Obfr. Walter FENSKE...P-24/...Ltn. Fritz GUTEZEIT...P-24/...Uff. Peter LAUFS...P-24/
.. Obif. Helmuth Muller P-24..**Condor Legion Vet??...2 unconfirmed kills in Spain of a "?..Muller"...most likely this pilot here, though Ive got to confirm this.../..Ltn. Gustav-Siegfried RODEL...P-24/...Haptm. Fritz SCHLEIFF..Top scorer for the day with x3 P-24s confirmed/..Obif. Georg SCHNIEDER...P-24/..Ofw Herbert SCHLOB...P-24..**Condor Legion"...Schlob was a good student of fighter in Spain, getting his first kill, an I-16 'rata' in a Bf109B on the 24th September, 1938. he got 2 I-16s and a TuSB2 before becoming an 'ace' just before Christmas on *30th of December when he bagged another I-16. He had one other unconfirmed I-16 for Spain, so this Polish aircraft today is actually No. 6 /............Alfred STURM...P-24./

SEPTEMBER 2ND: Confusion....No less than 13 aircraft listed as destroyed but unknown as to whom, 12 to Staffel I of ZG-76 (CLAIMED: Unbekannt...LOCATION: auf Boden-Deblin +1 to same units over Raum Lodz. Eight pilots have 9 confirmed.
L.t Gerhard BOHMEL..P-24/ Hptm. Johannes GENTZEN...P-23/...Gordon GOLLOB....P-24***First of the 100+ to score/..Ltn.IRHKE...x2 P-24 /..Ltn. Hans JAEGER...P-24/..Ltn.Helmut LENT...P-24/..Obf.Christoph NAGEL...P-24/..Hptm. REINCKE...P-24./

SEPTEMBER 3RD: 13 Claimed, 11 pilots have 11 confirmed.
Gefr. Josef GROTEN...-P-24/ Uff. Gerhard JECKE...-P24/..Obit. Josef KELLNER-STEINNETZ...P-24/..Uff. Rudolf KOBERT...P-24/..Uff.Willi LOHRER...P-23/..Ltn Reinhold MEBNER...P-23/..Obfr. Werner METHFESSEL...P24/..Ltn Gottfried NORDMANN...P-43/..Rudolf ZIEGLER...P-23./
FENSKE NO.2...P-24
GENTZEN NO.2...P-24

SEPTEMBER 4TH: 15 pilots have 19 confirmed.
Ltn. Hans BUSCHING...P-24x2/..Lt.Hugo FREY...P-24/.....Joachim GILENCKE...P-24/..Obfw. Hermann GUHL...P-24/..Fw.Alfred HELD..Wellington x1./..Uffz Hans KATZMANN...P-37 x2/...Ltn.....METZ Blenheim/..Hptm. Wilfred von MULLER-REIZENBURG...P-23/ Ltn. Hans NOCHER...P-37/...Ltn.Klaus QUAET-FASLEM...P-24/..Obit. Waldermar von ROON... P-37/..Uff. Karl SHUSCH...P-37 x2/..Gefr Alfred WARELMANN...P-24 x2/..Flw. Hans TROIZISCH...Wellington.

SEPTEMBER 5TH: 16 Claimed, 14 pilots have 14 confirmed. x2 P-37s unknown credited to I ZG76.
Ltn. Helmut FALBUSCH...P-23/..Oblt.Wolfgang FALCK...P-23/..Fhr. Georg FLEISCHMANN...RXIII/...Ltn Maximillion GREAFF...Fokker/..Fhr. Gerhard HERZHOG...Tiefdecker/..Fw. Karl HIER...P-24/..Ltn Victor MOLDERS...P-37/.. Hptn Horst PAPE...P-24/..Ltn Hans PHILLIP...P-24/..Hprn. Hannes TRAULOFT...P-23/..Obit. Gustav ULLENBECK...P-23./
GOLLOB NO.2 Tiefecker
METHFESSEL NO.3...P-24
SCHLOB NO.2...P-24

SEPTEMBER 6TH: 8 Claimed, 6 pilots have 6 confirmed. Unclaimed listed as Besatzung Eberhard PZL and -Elbig RIII.
Obif. Leo EGGERS...P-24/..Ltn. Freirich HAUCK...P43/......Ernst ZOBEL...P-24/
FALBUSCH NO.2...P-24
FLEISCHMANN NO.2...P24
JAEGER NO.2...P24

SEPTEMBER 7TH:5 Pilots have 5 confirmed.
Ltn. Hartwig DOMIER...P-24x2/..Fw. Fritz GIEHL...P-24/ ......Johann KLIEN...P-23/
METHFESSEL NO.4....P-43
SCHNIEDER NO.2...P-24

SEPTEMBER 8TH: 3 UNCLAIMED LISTED POTEZ 63, P-24, P-43. 1 pilot has 1 confirmed.
GUTBROD...x 1 Meaureux./

SEPTEMBER 9TH: 14 pilots have 14 confirmed.
The general lull in the action of yesterday is today relpaced abruptly with claims all over Reich airspace. Some excellent Luftwaffe pilots of the future made their fledgling appearances in the best possible way on this day, by the destruction of an enemy machine....

The Two Clausens.....Fw. Erwin CLAUSEN, bagged a P-24, and Obf. Walter CLAUSEN, got a P-43. One is senior to the other and they are in different units, but I have a sneaking suspicion that these two may be related. Why do I say that?...Well, ERWIN CLAUSEN is listed on the 100+ list with 132 enemy aircraft to his credit. Now considering these two both scored first on the same day, I'm going to find out if there was any family connection (Brother maybe?).....bit of a mystery, this one!
Uft. Freidrich GEISCHARDT...P-24, another 100+ debut today.
Ofw. Walter GRIMMLING...Blenhiem...The action stepped up in the West today as well/..Uff. Gerhard HAAG..P-24/
Uff. Harro HARDER...P-24....*** Condor Legion. The figures for the Spanish Civil War given by the site in use tell a wonderful story of this pilot. His first confirmed victory is listed way back on the 4TH OF JANUARY 1937. This means he would have undoubtedly been flying the inferior Hienkel 51 Bi-plane fighter that Condor was equipped to begin with. his first kill was nothing less than an I-16 Rata, the most dangerous Red aircraft in Spain. his association with the Heinkel 51 seems to have been one of frustration, or he was wounded, because his next kill is on the 27th of AUGUST, nearly 8 months later.....and its in a brand shiny new Me-109B, thanks very much! This could give us a practical date as to the introduction of the 109 into Spain. After knocking down a Tu S62 bomber and an AS 6 Envoy, Harro Harder proceeds to knock one Soviet fighter after another from the sky in his shiny new machine. His 'ace' victory in Spain comes on the *9th of September, 1937 after an engagement with an I-16. He gets six more for a total of 11 before his claims are seen no more in Spain...if he survived...perhaps he will turn up later...A pilot of this calibre I'm sure will turn up somewhere!...more research needed...)
Lt. Wilhelm HOFFMAN...Bloch 200 over Germany, probably a French recon aircraft.
Lt Rudi RADEMACHER...P24...Another 100+ debut today on this all action day.
Obif. Freirich-Karl RHINOV...Bloch 200, rounding of the Western losses for the day. Both these Bloch's were brought down over Saarbrucken, Germany./ Hans-Wedige von WEIHER...P-24/...Ltn Helmut WOLTERSDORFF...P-24./
BOHMEL NO.2...P-24
QUAET-FASLEM NO.2...P-24
WARELMANN NO.3...PZL

SEPTEMBER 10TH: The action settles in as 6 pilots make 6 claims, with a P-24 confirmed with no name given, for 7 confirmed.
Ltn. Roloff von ASPERN...P-23/Uff. Heinrich BEZNER. .x1 Mureaux, another German airspace kill in the west of three made today./ Lt. Georg CLAUS...Mureaux.../**Condor Legion veteran Lt RolfPINGEL got of to a popping start when he downed a pair of Tu-SB2 bombers in his 109B, on the 8th of July, 1937. His next kill in Spain is another SB2, then finally the well overflows with his first I-16, and then party time as 'ace' status arrives with another I-16 on the 16th of the July 1937 ONLY 8 DAYS AFTER HIS FIRST KILL....but...he only went on to get one more I-16 for a total of 6 before he was either transfered or, ....or probably SHOT DOWN....more research...this one might turn up somewhere later!....Today he bagged a Mureaux to round out the claims/
GRIMMLING...NO.2...x1 Mureaux
WARELMANN...NO.4...P-24/
(The Race for the First Ace made in Poland is now set...Methfessel has been without a victory since September 7th...Warelmann has today equaled his score, and other pilots are sitting close to these two....with the Poles disintegrating before the very eyes of the pilots, time is running short to share in the destruction of the 'easy' Polish machines.)

SEPTEMBER 11:3 pilots have 4 confirmed. The action is perceptably winding down.
Only one new pilot confirmed today,.......Walter MAURER... RXIII, I believe this is a Polish aircraft type.
FALCKE NO.2 & NO.3....Fokker FIX, and an EINMOT (?) whatever that is.
GIEHL.NO.2...P-37,the Poles must still be flying then....../

SEPTEMBER 12: Winding down further still, the diminishing targets in Poland hot the action up in the race for the Polish Ace, as one of 2 pilots today makes his third score. 2 confirmed.
Geftr. Siegfried BECKER...P-23/
KATZMANN NO.3...P-23/

SEPTEMBER 13: 1 pilot for 1 confirmed, he joins the race.
GENTZEN NO.3...P-37/

SEPTEMBER 14: The Polish Air Force is suddenly active in a big way today, with sorties, no doubt, to try to interfear with German attempts to snap the jaw of the Warsaw encirclement shut, something they were to do anyway on the 15th-16th September. It gives the hungry German fighter pilots a chance to grab the first 'ace' crown.....and it happens alright, and in a not un-dramatic fashion...

Fw. Wolfgang BRACHS...P-23/..Ltn. Franz MENZEL...RXIII/Ltn. Heinz WILBURG...x 1 SHULUFUGZUNG...what is this?/AND THE BATTLE OF THE 'ACES' IN POLAND?
SHUCH BLASTED IN WITH A PAIR OF P-23S....HE ALREADY HAD TWO....NOT GOOD ENOUGH
DOMIER GOT HIS 3RD TODAY....P-23...THE CHALLENGERS WILTED BEFORE THE AMAZING PERFORMANCE OF THE POLISH CAMPAIGN'S FIRST "ACE"
After getting two Polish fighters on the second and third days of the war HAUPTMANN JOHANNES GENTZEN...sat on three, apparently out of the picture with others all only 1 away from the goal,, but over South Brody in Poland, Gentzen was confirmed no less than x 4 P-23s.....a record for the Luftwaffe at the time for one day, to swoop in and take the title with 7 kills....the Polish air Force was finished, as was the fighting on the ground, save mopping up and WARSAW....Luftwaffe units began a series of movements that would take them to where the action now was....THE WEST..
These claim figures speak for themselves for the next three days leading up to the collapse of the Polish government on September 17th, 1939.

SEPTEMBER 15: 1 pilot claim confirmed. With the Poles totally out now, and the pickings slim, an old vet grabs the only kill of the day.
Oblt. Kurt MULLER** Condor Legion veteran....unusual record....was the same rank as Werner Molders when he arrived in Spain,(probably in the same intake for the Legion), and he shares the anniversary of Molders very first kill in Spain, an 1-15 in a Bf-109B,...Muller has the distinction of bagging a pair of Ploikarpov I-15s on the very same day as Molders got his VERY FIRST score ever, the 15/7/38. His record in the 'ace' race came up short in Spain, for he got an I-16 on the 23/8...and another claim unconfirmed for an official total of three....but on the 15th Sept 1939, he may have had that claim in mind as he swooped in to bag a Lublin RXIII....for a Luftwaffe total of 4...but you can just see him grinning to himself and saying, "Well theres FIVE!
SEPTEMBER 16: 1 claim confirmed.
Lt. Hartmann GRASSER.....Fesselballon....I assume its a balloon, don't know, but a credit is a credit, and this pilot is the last of the 100+ pilots from the Polish Campaign to grab a kill.
SEPTEMBER 17: Oblt.Wilfred BALFRANZ is the last of the pilots to make paydirt in the Polish Campaign...and appropriately enough, it's a Bloch 151 over Saarbrucken, Germany, French no doubt, and a harbinger of what's to come there....

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Marseille was entirely western Theather I think as was Barkhorn. Also Priller

[Gotthard Heinrici]

Nowotny's victories came in the east along with Gunter Rall and Otto Kittel, Willi Batz and Erich Rudorffer. Looking through these figures most of the top Aces flew in the French Campaign or the Battle of Britain as well as Russia so I would imagine Christos that the decision to become a Easterner or Westerner came sometime from 1942 onwards.

[Erich]

just to add to your points that indeed it is quite plausible that many of the big time aces had they not died already in air combat did serve on both fronts. In January 1945 it was ordered that at least 3/4r's of the JG 's were to serve on the Ost front in the final battles for Berlin. JG 300 and JG 301 were to remain in the west but did serve in taking on the Soviets in mostly ground attack missions in the spring of 45. portions of Bf 109G and K equipped JG 53 fought the US forces flying out of southern Germany

[Christos]

Thats just super duper for starters fellows.....we will have to add a third color to represent Aces KNOWN to have victories on both fronts.....thanks fellas!...

ummm...there are QUITE a few more to go...eh?...I'm going to do a bit of searchinbg myself...just finished a piece on FLAK...si I've got a numb ass....

[Erich]

bomber killer Herbert Rollwage of JG 53 score could be dropped as much as 20-30 kills. he has been listed until recently as the top US bomber killer with 44, but may in fact due to German investigating only scored 14 bomber kills

[Christos]

Another top class reply....thanx Erich of Oregon.......

(singing)...A never was heard
................A discouraging word!
................Annnnd the skyssss are
.................Cloudy alll dayyyyyyyy!!!

[spidge]

Originally Posted by Christos

Another top class reply....thanx Erich of Oregon.......

(singing)...A never was heard
................A discouraging word!
................Annnnd the skyssss are
.................Cloudy alll dayyyyyyyy!!!

Hi Christos,

The liquid you are drinking maybe white but I'm sure it is not water.

[spidge]

I don't think there is a better site for Aces on the net than this one which I have posted here before:

Here is the German breakdown and VP's favourite tank killers.

This guy definitely does not have a life!

Jan J. Safarik: Aces (ISO-8859-2)

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[spidge]

Originally Posted by Erich

bomber killer Herbert Rollwage of JG 53 score could be dropped as much as 20-30 kills. he has been listed until recently as the top US bomber killer with 44, but may in fact due to German investigating only scored 14 bomber kills

The site I posted above agrees with your numbers for Rollwage at 14.